Uploaded March 2021 | Updated September 2026, 13 minutes ago
In today's interview Debra Doak, CDC CDFA, a Christian divorce coach and pastoral counselor talks about your options if you're not really sure you want to leave your spouse. How do you protect yourself and still give God time to see if your spouse is willing or capable of leaving their infidelity, abuse or porn use behind?
You're not ready to say: YES or NO. The good news is you can say "WAIT."
In this video, Debra talks about walking the Parallel Path. You haven't said "yes" to divorce, or "no." You are waiting with intention. You are holding to a thread of hope, but at the same time preparing a safety plan in case he doesn't respect your boundaries and change.
02:17 Holding out a thread of hope, working on boundaries and assertiveness. Boundaries are to keep you safe. If it doesn't keep you safe, it's not a boundary
04:07 PARALLEL PATH
06:17 4-STEP PLAN
07:22 PREPARE - What if you're afraid to ask your spouse about your bank accounts and income?
14:05 - What to do if you spouse demands you sign a tax return you haven't seen or examined. What if they forge your name? How to document it and protect yourself.
21:56 - How to set up your own bank account, credit cards, and forward your mail in order to avoid the tactic of financial "spousal starvation."
31:43 - When to see an attorney. What should you collect first.
36:19 PLAN - Education, student loans, how to pick an attorney
42:38 PRIORITIZE - figure out what you need: cash now? retirement now? a house now?
46:32 POSITION - how to decide if it's time to go. How to determine whether your spouse has really changed or is just checking off the boxes. Looking for fruit of change. Knowledge is the antidote to fear.
We talk about how to gather information about your household income and expenses, and Debra gives insights on what to do if your spouse demands you sign the joint income tax return without seeing any of the numbers or documents used to prepare it. She explains how to document it and protect yourself legally.
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ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. For more than 20 years, she has worked with Christian women and men going through difficult, life-saving divorces, listening with compassion to those who have suffered from domestic violence, betrayal, infidelity, and emotional abuse. She helps heartbroken people find strength and courage and healing.
Her book, "The Life-Saving Divorce" is about the one-half of U.S. divorces that are for very serious reasons. She will give you optimism about your children's future (nearly 8 in 10 children turn out fine after divorce, according to top researchers); and will help you understand emotional abuse, "gaslighting," the abuse cycle, and tips for surviving high-conflict divorces.
FOR A DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC OF CREATING AN ESCAPE PLAN, read p. 198-208, in The Life-Saving Divorce book.
What's a Life-Saving Divorce? A Life-Saving Divorce is a divorce for the serious reasons: a pattern of chronic emotional abuse, infidelity, domestic violence, sexual immorality, felony behavior, neglect, substance abuse, etc.
How to Get the Book, "The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships"
Paperback Book/Kindle via Amazon: amzn.to/3CCBsnr As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
Follow Gretchen Baskerville:
Subscribe to Gretchen's You Tube channel: youtube.com/channel/UCRgtUNfTlYIRDt8iOK6XPKQ
Facebook: facebook.com/gretchen.baskerville
Twitter: twitter.com/GGBaskerville
Other helpful links
Website and Blog: LifeSavingDivorce.com
Top 50 Blog Posts by Topic: lifesavingdivorce.com/popular
Life-Saving Divorce Email Signup: LifeSavingDivorce.com/courage
In today's interview Debra Doak, CDC CDFA, a Christian divorce coach and pastoral counselor talks about your options if you're not really sure you want to leave your spouse. How do you protect yourself and still give God time to see if your spouse is willing or capable of leaving their infidelity, abuse or porn use behind?
You're not ready to say: YES or NO. The good news is you can say "WAIT."
In this video, Debra talks about walking the Parallel Path. You haven't said "yes" to divorce, or "no." You are waiting with intention. You are holding to a thread of hope, but at the same time preparing a safety plan in case he doesn't respect your boundaries and change.
02:17 Holding out a thread of hope, working on boundaries and assertiveness. Boundaries are to keep you safe. If it doesn't keep you safe, it's not a boundary
04:07 PARALLEL PATH
06:17 4-STEP PLAN
07:22 PREPARE - What if you're afraid to ask your spouse about your bank accounts and income?
14:05 - What to do if you spouse demands you sign a tax return you haven't seen or examined. What if they forge your name? How to document it and protect yourself.
21:56 - How to set up your own bank account, credit cards, and forward your mail in order to avoid the tactic of financial "spousal starvation."
31:43 - When to see an attorney. What should you collect first.
36:19 PLAN - Education, student loans, how to pick an attorney
42:38 PRIORITIZE - figure out what you need: cash now? retirement now? a house now?
46:32 POSITION - how to decide if it's time to go. How to determine whether your spouse has really changed or is just checking off the boxes. Looking for fruit of change. Knowledge is the antidote to fear.
We talk about how to gather information about your household income and expenses, and Debra gives insights on what to do if your spouse demands you sign the joint income tax return without seeing any of the numbers or documents used to prepare it. She explains how to document it and protect yourself legally.
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ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. For more than 20 years, she has worked with Christian women and men going through difficult, life-saving divorces, listening with compassion to those who have suffered from domestic violence, betrayal, infidelity, and emotional abuse. She helps heartbroken people find strength and courage and healing.
Her book, "The Life-Saving Divorce" is about the one-half of U.S. divorces that are for very serious reasons. She will give you optimism about your children's future (nearly 8 in 10 children turn out fine after divorce, according to top researchers); and will help you understand emotional abuse, "gaslighting," the abuse cycle, and tips for surviving high-conflict divorces.
FOR A DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC OF CREATING AN ESCAPE PLAN, read p. 198-208, in The Life-Saving Divorce book.
What's a Life-Saving Divorce? A Life-Saving Divorce is a divorce for the serious reasons: a pattern of chronic emotional abuse, infidelity, domestic violence, sexual immorality, felony behavior, neglect, substance abuse, etc.
How to Get the Book, "The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships"
Paperback Book/Kindle via Amazon: amzn.to/3CCBsnr As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
Follow Gretchen Baskerville:
Subscribe to Gretchen's You Tube channel: youtube.com/channel/UCRgtUNfTlYIRDt8iOK6XPKQ
Facebook: facebook.com/gretchen.baskerville
Twitter: twitter.com/GGBaskerville
Other helpful links
Website and Blog: LifeSavingDivorce.com
Top 50 Blog Posts by Topic: lifesavingdivorce.com/popular
Life-Saving Divorce Email Signup: LifeSavingDivorce.com/courage
![12 Surprising Insights from the Marriage Intensive Survey | Natalie Hoffman, Flying Free Podcast
There is a better version of this video at: https://youtu.be/RR4LXRswKTg?si=RGi-iWiZmFkPR6ht
Will your marriage be fixed by an in-person, multi-day, overnight marriage intensive? Is it worth the money, time and effort? Are the claims of these marriage intensives true? 330 people tell us about their marriage intensive experience.
— 03:58 LISTEN TO THE INTRO FIRST
— 12:20 Surprise #12: Some attended because it was a wholesome marriage event, but MOST attended to fix a marriage problem.
— 15:45 Surprise #11: 7 in 10 survey respondents indicated they are now separated or divorced. Another 1 in 10 plan to separate or divorce. Natalie tells her story of going to a marriage intensive that she paid for and attended with her [now ex-] husband.
— 22:35 Surprise #10: Only 24 of the 330 survey participants indicated that they were “married and happy.” And only 4 of those said their marriage intensive was “life-changing” for them.
— 28:50 Surprise #9: Half of the respondents said they attended a marriage intensive that used manipulation tactics. The other half did not mention any type of manipulation. We discuss the 7 most frequently mentioned manipulation tactics. We discuss the 3 worst marriage intensives. #WeekendToRemember
— 36:30 Surprise #8: Roughly 7 in 10 of the people who said they felt “hopeful” on the last day of the program indicated they are divorced or separated now. Even though this survey was too small to definitively measure the effectiveness of each of the top major marriage intensives, we get a hint that many of the success claims may not be true. Further studies using representative samples and more respondents need to be conducted.
— 44:13 Surprise #7: Only 2% of people whose spouse was NOT respectful when deep intimate feelings of fear and insecurity were shared are “married and happy” now. This is why couples counseling where there is abuse is considered unethical and possibly even illegal, according to the Gottman Institute.
— 47:28 Surprise #6: About 9 in 10 respondents indicated they would NOT likely recommend the marriage intensive to others, even if they liked some of the training in basic communication skills and problem-solving techniques.
— 51:25 Surprise #5: Those attending the most expensive marriage intensives had higher divorce and/or separation rates than those who paid far less. Some intensives charge $3,000-$12,000 for top experts and licensed counselors, but they still did not fix the marriage.
— 54:05 Surprise #4: People have all kinds of motivations for attending. Some just want a weekend away without the kids or dog.
— 54:25 Surprise #3: Many people mentioned that the topic of abuse was never mentioned or described. And in some intensives, abuse perpetrated in the marriage was not allowed to be discussed. People mentioned feeling unseen, unheard, and their pain and injuries were ignored. The dangers of “vow renewal ceremonies.”
— 57:15 Surprise #2: If a spouse pretended to be respectful for a short time and then went back to their usual negative or indifferent attitudes, there was a very high correlation with divorce or separation.
— 58:30 Surprise #1: Only 4 of the “married and happy” survey respondents gave the credit to the marriage intensive for a major positive change in their marriage.
How to Get the Book, The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships
Paperback Book/Kindle via Amazon: Paperback: https://amzn.to/3CCBsnr As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
The Bible teaches us to Run From Abusers: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/runfromabusers/
Studies that show that even though divorce is bad for kids, witnessing or experiencing abuse is up to 10 times worse: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-and-kids/
Bible verses on divorce, including passages that condone and even command divorce: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-in-bible/
Divorce as God’s Protection of Old Testament Wives: https://youtu.be/z2bAfawE-ZM?feature=shared
Divorce as God’s Protection for Women in the Bible: https://youtu.be/SJjv6eN1BDs?feature=shared
Critique of Hope Restored’s (Focus on the Family) Miracle Claims: https://youtu.be/QQlNoyLasfQ?feature=shared. Or Blog post: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/fotfevidence/
ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. Since 1998, she has worked in churches in the Los Angeles area. She helps heartbroken people find strength, courage, and healing. She is a graduate of Wheaton College with a degree in Bible and Christian Education.
Website and Blog: http://www.LifeSavingDivorce.com
Twitter http://twitter.com/GGBaskerville
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/lifesavingdivorce
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/gretchenbaskerville/
You Tube https://www.youtube.com/@lifesavingdivorce
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![Will A Marriage Intensive Fix My Marriage? | The Life-Saving Divorce
Will your marriage be fixed by an in-person, multi-day, overnight marriage intensive? Is it worth the money, time and effort? Are the claims of these marriage intensives true? 330 people told me about their marriage intensive experience in a survey. Join me and Natalie Hoffman of the @FlyingFree Podcast!
— 03:58 LISTEN TO THE INTRO FIRST
— 12:20 Surprise #12: Some attended because it was a wholesome marriage event, but MOST attended to fix a marriage problem.
— 15:45 Surprise #11: 7 in 10 survey respondents indicated they are now separated or divorced. Another 1 in 10 plan to separate or divorce. Natalie tells her story of going to a marriage intensive that she paid for and attended with her [now ex-] husband.
— 22:35 Surprise #10: Only 24 of the 330 survey participants indicated that they were “married and happy.” And only 4 of those said their marriage intensive was “life-changing” for them.
— 28:50 Surprise #9: Half of the respondents said they attended a marriage intensive that used manipulation tactics. The other half did not mention any type of manipulation. We discuss the 7 most frequently mentioned manipulation tactics. We discuss the 3 worst marriage intensives. #WeekendToRemember
— 36:30 Surprise #8: Roughly 7 in 10 of the people who said they felt “hopeful” on the last day of the program indicated they are divorced or separated now. Even though this survey was too small to definitively measure the effectiveness of each of the top major marriage intensives, we get a hint that many of the success claims may not be true. Further studies using representative samples and more respondents need to be conducted.
— 44:13 Surprise #7: Only 2% of people whose spouse was NOT respectful when deep intimate feelings of fear and insecurity were shared are “married and happy” now. This is why couples counseling where there is abuse is considered unethical and possibly even illegal, according to the Gottman Institute.
— 47:28 Surprise #6: About 9 in 10 respondents indicated they would NOT likely recommend the marriage intensive to others, even if they liked some of the training in basic communication skills and problem-solving techniques.
— 51:25 Surprise #5: Those attending the most expensive marriage intensives had higher divorce and/or separation rates than those who paid far less. Some intensives charge $3,000-$12,000 for top experts and licensed counselors, but they still did not fix the marriage.
— 54:05 Surprise #4: People have all kinds of motivations for attending. Some just want a weekend away without the kids or dog.
— 54:25 Surprise #3: Many people mentioned that the topic of abuse was never mentioned or described. And in some intensives, abuse perpetrated in the marriage was not allowed to be discussed. People mentioned feeling unseen, unheard, and their pain and injuries were ignored. The dangers of “vow renewal ceremonies.”
— 57:15 Surprise #2: If a spouse pretended to be respectful for a short time and then went back to their usual negative or indifferent attitudes, there was a very high correlation with divorce or separation.
— 58:30 Surprise #1: Only 4 of the “married and happy” survey respondents gave the credit to the marriage intensive for a major positive change in their marriage.
01:01:00 Who should attend a marriage intensive?
Links:
How to Get the Book, The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships
Paperback Book/Kindle via Amazon: Paperback: https://amzn.to/3CCBsnr Audiobook: https://amzn.to/4f52Mh4 As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
The Bible teaches us to Run From Abusers: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/runfrom...
Studies that show that even though divorce is bad for kids, witnessing or experiencing abuse is up to 10 times worse: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-and-kids
Bible verses on divorce, including passages that condone and even command divorce: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-in-bible
Divorce as God’s Protection of Old Testament Wives: https://youtu.be/z2bAfawE-ZM?feature=shared
Divorce as God’s Protection for Women in the Bible: https://youtu.be/SJjv6eN1BDs?feature=shared
Critique of Hope Restored’s (Focus on the Family) Miracle Claims: https://youtu.be/QQlNoyLasfQ Or Blog post: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/fotfevidence
ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. Since 1998, she has worked in churches in the Los Angeles area. She helps heartbroken people find strength, courage, and healing. She is a graduate of Wheaton College with a degree in Bible and Christian Education.
Website and Blog: http://www.LifeSavingDivorce.com
Twitter / ggbaskerville
Facebook / lifesavingdivorce
Instagram / gretchenbaskerville
You Tube / @lifesavingdivorce
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