Uploaded March 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 hours ago
Looking for science news that focuses on consciousness, spirituality and true healing can be hard for the average consumer to find unless you’re Paul (who knows where to look for it).
Meet David Lorimer, program director and global ambassador of the fact-finding Scientific and Medical Network ( scientificandmedical.net/about-the-smn ), editor of its companion publication Paradigm Explorer ( scientificandmedical.net/paradigm-explorer ) and the author of many books.
David joins Paul for a deep conversation about the growing problems with the politics of science and how it will evolve going forward and what all of this means for our collective humanity plus some poetry, this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about David and his work at the Galileo Commission at galileocommission.org/david-lorimer , Beyond the Brain conference series at beyondthebrain.org/about and Inspiring Purpose at inspiringpurpose.org.uk .
Listen to his podcast, Imaginal Inspirations at redcircle.com/shows/4ffb6aa7-2e7b-40e0-967a-897542eb6b5b , on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Check out David on social media via Facebook at facebook.com/david.lorimer.796 and LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/david-lorimer-3324251 .
0:00 Intro
3:06 What is your boggle threshold?
8:52 The politicization of science.
20:01 The war between pharmaceutical and naturopathic approaches to human health over the past century.
31:57 David reads his poem, It is always time.
41:02 What has science become and how will it evolve going forward?
51:38 Who are the good guys and bad guys?
1:01:42 “If we lose our humanity, we’ve lost everything.”
1:12:48 Reciprocity or instrumentalism?
1:25:39 “You can’t have a theory of everything without consciousness.”
1:34:25 Do you distinguish between the conscious mind and unconscious mind?
1:45:15 Gradual universalization.
1:55:09 David reads his poem, Anchoring presence.
Listen to Paul's conversation with David Lorimer and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/episode-336-david-lorimer-as-above-so-below
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears at braveasbears.bandcamp.com
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Looking for science news that focuses on consciousness, spirituality and true healing can be hard for the average consumer to find unless you’re Paul (who knows where to look for it).
Meet David Lorimer, program director and global ambassador of the fact-finding Scientific and Medical Network ( scientificandmedical.net/about-the-smn ), editor of its companion publication Paradigm Explorer ( scientificandmedical.net/paradigm-explorer ) and the author of many books.
David joins Paul for a deep conversation about the growing problems with the politics of science and how it will evolve going forward and what all of this means for our collective humanity plus some poetry, this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about David and his work at the Galileo Commission at galileocommission.org/david-lorimer , Beyond the Brain conference series at beyondthebrain.org/about and Inspiring Purpose at inspiringpurpose.org.uk .
Listen to his podcast, Imaginal Inspirations at redcircle.com/shows/4ffb6aa7-2e7b-40e0-967a-897542eb6b5b , on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Check out David on social media via Facebook at facebook.com/david.lorimer.796 and LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/david-lorimer-3324251 .
0:00 Intro
3:06 What is your boggle threshold?
8:52 The politicization of science.
20:01 The war between pharmaceutical and naturopathic approaches to human health over the past century.
31:57 David reads his poem, It is always time.
41:02 What has science become and how will it evolve going forward?
51:38 Who are the good guys and bad guys?
1:01:42 “If we lose our humanity, we’ve lost everything.”
1:12:48 Reciprocity or instrumentalism?
1:25:39 “You can’t have a theory of everything without consciousness.”
1:34:25 Do you distinguish between the conscious mind and unconscious mind?
1:45:15 Gradual universalization.
1:55:09 David reads his poem, Anchoring presence.
Listen to Paul's conversation with David Lorimer and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/episode-336-david-lorimer-as-above-so-below
Thanks to our awesome sponsors!
• Organifi organifi.com/chek20 (save 20% on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout)
• CHEK Academy https://chek.group/l4dacademy (sign up for the spring session of the CHEK Academy by March 31!)
• Paleovalley paleovalley.com/chek15 (save 15% on your first purchase)
• BiOptimizers bit.ly/microbiomepaul10 (save an extra 10% on your purchase by using the code PAUL10 at checkout)
• Wild Pastures wildpastures.com/paulchek (save 20% and free shipping for life plus $15 on your first order)
We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears at braveasbears.bandcamp.com
All Rights Reserved MusicFit Records 2024 at musicfitrecords.com
