Uploaded August 2023 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
I belong too Two clock groups of Fb and in these groups there is an expert in cuckoo clocks that thinks the Movement is original to the clock even though this clock has a count wheel. I will show the conversation that my friend Mark had with me in the group. Don't forget to go to Marks channel to check out his videos as well. Mark Munnerlyn: youtube.com/@munnerlyn3/videos
Our Conversation;
Mark Munnerlyn
Admin
Michael J. Anderson just to let you know a little bit about Valentin Weber. He is German. He lives in Germany. He breathes and lives for Black Forest clocks. He visits the museums, he posts clocks on his FB page that most people would give up their left arm for. He knows more about Black Forest clocks than anyone within this group and that is why he is both of the groups that I am the admin for Black Forest Group Expert. You can ask other people about his credentials. There are folks within this group and the other group that would agree with what I am saying about him. I wished that I could touch and see the clocks that he sees on a regular basis. Whenever I have a question that I cant answer then I ask him. In the Featured items above you can read a NAWCC posting that I made back in 2019 when cuckoo clocks struck my interest where I ask them when did the German makers swap from the count wheel cuckoo clocks to the rack and snail cuckoo clocks. Their answer is there is no specific date as each maker changed over whenever but by the 1950s (1955) they had all transferred over to using rack and snail in cuckoo clocks. Now with that said yes there was some overstock of count wheel movements and I have seen at least one clock that had a stamp date of 1960 that had a count wheel movement in it. So with all that said I feel that your clock is made by Gerber Kuner in or around 1950s-early 60s time period. As far as the music box having a date of 1974, I would have to see that date and it is very possible that the music box was changed out because the original one worn out and the person repairing it didn't want to take the time to fix it and therefore they changed it out with another one. But everything about that clock tells me that it was made in the 1950s-early 60s. Regula used the Regula 10 movements with the governor fan outside of the movement for the music boxes. Now days they use Regula 71/72/701/702s. Per Valentin Webers comments Gerber Kuner used Regula movements on occasions. What I read was that Gerbner Kuner started in 1928. Lot of times people see GK on a clock movement and think it is Gerber Kuner but it isn't it is George Kuehl. Which is better for them as George Kuehl started their clock business earlier. I was also told/read that there was a fire that destroyed a lot of records so one may never know who made their clock. I tell people all the time that the makers are probably laughing at us from Heaven above saying to themselves "Maybe we should have put our names and dates on the clocks that we made". I hope this clears up your concerns.
You can contact me at
email: justmike2575@gmail.com
Here I do most of my work on clocks. Mainly cuckoo clocks, yet I am always looking for the unusual and eye catching clocks. Some of the clocks I get into are ones that need saved from the dump. They fell off the wall from not securing the clock to the wall using the stud behind the sheetrock. Some of the clocks were laid to rest out in the garage or barn and I except the challenge of getting them back together again.
A well loved clock at one time is one that has a lot of wear and you find old bushings that might need to be replaced.
I belong too Two clock groups of Fb and in these groups there is an expert in cuckoo clocks that thinks the Movement is original to the clock even though this clock has a count wheel. I will show the conversation that my friend Mark had with me in the group. Don't forget to go to Marks channel to check out his videos as well. Mark Munnerlyn: youtube.com/@munnerlyn3/videos
Our Conversation;
Mark Munnerlyn
Admin
Michael J. Anderson just to let you know a little bit about Valentin Weber. He is German. He lives in Germany. He breathes and lives for Black Forest clocks. He visits the museums, he posts clocks on his FB page that most people would give up their left arm for. He knows more about Black Forest clocks than anyone within this group and that is why he is both of the groups that I am the admin for Black Forest Group Expert. You can ask other people about his credentials. There are folks within this group and the other group that would agree with what I am saying about him. I wished that I could touch and see the clocks that he sees on a regular basis. Whenever I have a question that I cant answer then I ask him. In the Featured items above you can read a NAWCC posting that I made back in 2019 when cuckoo clocks struck my interest where I ask them when did the German makers swap from the count wheel cuckoo clocks to the rack and snail cuckoo clocks. Their answer is there is no specific date as each maker changed over whenever but by the 1950s (1955) they had all transferred over to using rack and snail in cuckoo clocks. Now with that said yes there was some overstock of count wheel movements and I have seen at least one clock that had a stamp date of 1960 that had a count wheel movement in it. So with all that said I feel that your clock is made by Gerber Kuner in or around 1950s-early 60s time period. As far as the music box having a date of 1974, I would have to see that date and it is very possible that the music box was changed out because the original one worn out and the person repairing it didn't want to take the time to fix it and therefore they changed it out with another one. But everything about that clock tells me that it was made in the 1950s-early 60s. Regula used the Regula 10 movements with the governor fan outside of the movement for the music boxes. Now days they use Regula 71/72/701/702s. Per Valentin Webers comments Gerber Kuner used Regula movements on occasions. What I read was that Gerbner Kuner started in 1928. Lot of times people see GK on a clock movement and think it is Gerber Kuner but it isn't it is George Kuehl. Which is better for them as George Kuehl started their clock business earlier. I was also told/read that there was a fire that destroyed a lot of records so one may never know who made their clock. I tell people all the time that the makers are probably laughing at us from Heaven above saying to themselves "Maybe we should have put our names and dates on the clocks that we made". I hope this clears up your concerns.
You can contact me at
email: justmike2575@gmail.com
Here I do most of my work on clocks. Mainly cuckoo clocks, yet I am always looking for the unusual and eye catching clocks. Some of the clocks I get into are ones that need saved from the dump. They fell off the wall from not securing the clock to the wall using the stud behind the sheetrock. Some of the clocks were laid to rest out in the garage or barn and I except the challenge of getting them back together again.
A well loved clock at one time is one that has a lot of wear and you find old bushings that might need to be replaced.
