PurpleSun | [TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Comet in 0xA [Mario] @PurpleSunTAS | Uploaded 3 years ago | Updated 1 minute ago
Purple Coin Flip 'n' Sprint without pressing A.
This saves 1xA over the previous count, avoiding jumping into the star by using flip panel displacement to reach the star.
Most of this route and these tricks come from Moosh's 1xA TAS: youtu.be/_wF89JD2zqU
The flip panel flings in particular were something I looked to implement, they're just so cool.
Also in this run are spin cancel skids, which are skids that cancel the spin animation but carry spin properties, so flip panels still activate.
As a brief explanation, flip panel displacement happens by sliding off a panel (before it reaches the top), storing momentum and a 'link' to the panel, and then spinning to activate the panel and grabbing a wall while it is moving. The wallgrab releases the stored momentum, while the movement of the stored panel vertically displaces Mario.
I first saw flip panel displacement from LancerDeltarune; random people on Twitter have said they found it many years ago but I can't properly credit that as a source: clips.twitch.tv/ScaryTacitWitchPanicBasket
P2 is hanging out ready for BillyWAR and Moosh's World 1 project. I couldn't use P2 to get purple coins as I would have to let go of A, so then I'd have to press A again for P2 to be useful again. I could've used P2 to freeze the electric fields (it would have let go automatically when off-screen) but I wasn't too bothered about that.
It's just a theory but the ledgegrab on the panel at the end seemed to reset stored displacement so I was able to store it from the slide afterwards.
This idea came about because I had tried many times to get displacement from sliding off the panel with no result. I even slope jumped off the panel, which is a sure-fire way to get displacement, but that didn't work.
I tried going back through the run to find out if anything I did would affect how displacement was stored, savestating from certain points and then jumping through the level.
I couldn't pinpoint anything, but found that none of the slides I had done through the run seemed to affect displacement at the end, and also weren't what was stopping it from happening the first time around.
I eventually gave up on that research and just messed around at the end.
I got the sliding ledgegrab (with the weird tilted walk after climbing) and decided to try to activate displacement with a sliver of hope, and got a tiny upwarp. And then I found I could get displacement from a slide-off. Just because of a sliding ledgegrab?
It's bizarre and I'm definitely missing something but, hey, it worked in the end so whatever.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge
Purple Coin Flip 'n' Sprint without pressing A.
This saves 1xA over the previous count, avoiding jumping into the star by using flip panel displacement to reach the star.
Most of this route and these tricks come from Moosh's 1xA TAS: youtu.be/_wF89JD2zqU
The flip panel flings in particular were something I looked to implement, they're just so cool.
Also in this run are spin cancel skids, which are skids that cancel the spin animation but carry spin properties, so flip panels still activate.
As a brief explanation, flip panel displacement happens by sliding off a panel (before it reaches the top), storing momentum and a 'link' to the panel, and then spinning to activate the panel and grabbing a wall while it is moving. The wallgrab releases the stored momentum, while the movement of the stored panel vertically displaces Mario.
I first saw flip panel displacement from LancerDeltarune; random people on Twitter have said they found it many years ago but I can't properly credit that as a source: clips.twitch.tv/ScaryTacitWitchPanicBasket
P2 is hanging out ready for BillyWAR and Moosh's World 1 project. I couldn't use P2 to get purple coins as I would have to let go of A, so then I'd have to press A again for P2 to be useful again. I could've used P2 to freeze the electric fields (it would have let go automatically when off-screen) but I wasn't too bothered about that.
It's just a theory but the ledgegrab on the panel at the end seemed to reset stored displacement so I was able to store it from the slide afterwards.
This idea came about because I had tried many times to get displacement from sliding off the panel with no result. I even slope jumped off the panel, which is a sure-fire way to get displacement, but that didn't work.
I tried going back through the run to find out if anything I did would affect how displacement was stored, savestating from certain points and then jumping through the level.
I couldn't pinpoint anything, but found that none of the slides I had done through the run seemed to affect displacement at the end, and also weren't what was stopping it from happening the first time around.
I eventually gave up on that research and just messed around at the end.
I got the sliding ledgegrab (with the weird tilted walk after climbing) and decided to try to activate displacement with a sliver of hope, and got a tiny upwarp. And then I found I could get displacement from a slide-off. Just because of a sliding ledgegrab?
It's bizarre and I'm definitely missing something but, hey, it worked in the end so whatever.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge
![[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Comet in 0xA [Mario]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dHaEupwsm0k/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Comet in 0xA [Mario]
Purple Coin Flip n Sprint without pressing A.
This saves 1xA over the previous count, avoiding jumping into the star by using flip panel displacement to reach the star.
Most of this route and these tricks come from Mooshs 1xA TAS: https://youtu.be/_wF89JD2zqU
The flip panel flings in particular were something I looked to implement, theyre just so cool.
Also in this run are spin cancel skids, which are skids that cancel the spin animation but carry spin properties, so flip panels still activate.
As a brief explanation, flip panel displacement happens by sliding off a panel (before it reaches the top), storing momentum and a link to the panel, and then spinning to activate the panel and grabbing a wall while it is moving. The wallgrab releases the stored momentum, while the movement of the stored panel vertically displaces Mario.
I first saw flip panel displacement from LancerDeltarune; random people on Twitter have said they found it many years ago but I cant properly credit that as a source: https://clips.twitch.tv/ScaryTacitWitchPanicBasket
P2 is hanging out ready for BillyWAR and Mooshs World 1 project. I couldnt use P2 to get purple coins as I would have to let go of A, so then Id have to press A again for P2 to be useful again. I couldve used P2 to freeze the electric fields (it would have let go automatically when off-screen) but I wasnt too bothered about that.
Its just a theory but the ledgegrab on the panel at the end seemed to reset stored displacement so I was able to store it from the slide afterwards.
This idea came about because I had tried many times to get displacement from sliding off the panel with no result. I even slope jumped off the panel, which is a sure-fire way to get displacement, but that didnt work.
I tried going back through the run to find out if anything I did would affect how displacement was stored, savestating from certain points and then jumping through the level.
I couldnt pinpoint anything, but found that none of the slides I had done through the run seemed to affect displacement at the end, and also werent what was stopping it from happening the first time around.
I eventually gave up on that research and just messed around at the end.
I got the sliding ledgegrab (with the weird tilted walk after climbing) and decided to try to activate displacement with a sliver of hope, and got a tiny upwarp. And then I found I could get displacement from a slide-off. Just because of a sliding ledgegrab?
Its bizarre and Im definitely missing something but, hey, it worked in the end so whatever.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge")
![[ABC TAS] SMG2: Clockwork Ruins 1 in 1xA (4xA) presses](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dK0Dxuk48bA/hqdefault.jpg "[ABC TAS] SMG2: Clockwork Ruins 1 in 1xA (4xA) presses
Mario has adventure time for an adventure time for in 1 A press (4 including dialogue).
The A press is required to long jump across the gap between the spikes and the walljump wheels.
A lot of this is messing around waiting for cycles. I waited bouncing on the pumpkin goomba on the second planet because, while I would have made the second safe zone in time, I wouldnt have made the next cycle in time to save any time (for adventure).
The Luma takes up 3 dialogue A presses. There is a theory to save 2xA here by using a Goomba to push Mario out of the Lumas trigger area while pressing A, which should get a textbox skip, but it hasnt been successful yet.
A theory to save the final gameplay A press is to get slope displacement off a moving wheel at the start of the final planet, and then, before it disappears, grab a wall to either get displaced upwards to the top or sideways to the walljump wheels.
Mario can let go of poles by shaking the controller.
P.S. thanks for 1k subs!
#supermariogalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge")
![[TAS] SMG: Gold Leaf Comet in 2.5x A Presses [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dkFnjZSy8vk/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG: Gold Leaf Comet in 2.5x A Presses [Luigi]
Luigi beats Cosmic Luigi in 2.5 A Presses.
This saves 0.5x over the previous count, avoiding having to jump up to the big tree by getting on the wooden fence, spinning onto the mushrooms, and spinning up to the ledge.
Technically, the star is possible to reach in at least 0.5xA just by spinning up the intended path, but the cosmic clone is too fast to beat that way, and is still too fast to beat with a couple of jumps along that way, so instead we do the speedrun strat in as few A presses as possible.
On the way to the wooden fence, I ran up the side of the log to fall off it and remove hard landing state, which then allows me to control the direction of spin knockbacks.
The 0.5x was needed to get the height to spin onto the mushrooms.
When on the mushrooms, I slid off in such a way that it bumped Luigi up, which helped get enough height to spin to the ledge.
#SuperMarioGalaxy #AButtonChallenge")
![[TAS] SMG2: Spin-Dig Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dqkDv7LoOC0/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Spin-Dig Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
Star order has no time difference; the yellow platforms on the 3rd planet might be slightly different but are easily manipulated using the camera.
Green Star 2 - 37.75 IGT - 11:19.80 real-time split (1:34.12 segment)
Crouching next to the orange pole when running towards the edge causes a strangely fast slide for 1 frame. Jumping from this into a double jump-triple jump saved 0.6s over a regular triple jump.
The triple jump sequence also had small adjustments to get the tilt right for the triple jump to curve over the edge and land directly into the Lumas talking area.
Camera turn saved 1 frame of cutscene time.
Drill clip from underneath is an IL strat that saves 1.16s over topside.
The yellow platforms are manipulated with a camera turn so that Luigi lands on the middle ones while they spawn. Their collision moves upwards as they spawn, adding momentum to a backflip to save 10 frames.
Green Star 1 - 15.81 IGT - 12:19.23 real-time split (59.43 segment)
Unlike in GS2, the digger is on a good cycle, so the faster starting movement is a backwards slope jump (which also gets unusually fast speed for a couple of frames) into a bounce and spin; the slope speed is somehow conserved so landing on the sloped edge of the Lumas platform causes an immediate fast slide.
P2 is used on the digger, and then also to spin the Luma. This prevents Luigis spin from making the Luma dizzy which would make it take longer to be able to talk. This saved 8 frames, with the whole digger strat saving 0.32s over the strat used on GS2.
Green Star 3 - 21.38 IGT - 13:36.08 real-time split (1:16.85 segment)
Vine RNG is so bad. Different timing on Piranha kill and even seemingly different timing grabbing the vine has an affect on the speed of its growth.
Luigis speed on the vine is dependant on how fast it grows; this is why its faster to not get the earliest Piranha kill, so Luigi is on the vine as its still growing. His speed is also affected by the rate (and possibly even strength) of spin inputs - holding off on shaking for a couple of frames ended up saving a couple of frames.
In the last section, neutral walljump strain was used to get to the star a little bit earlier.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun")
![World 2 Greens M route [tool-assisted demo]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eALHtTRY4wc/hqdefault.jpg "World 2 Greens M route [tool-assisted demo]
This route saves 8 frames over the current W route (Plank → Boulder → Hightail → Cove → Glide → Honeybloom → Lava Lair), when both use their optimal combination of IR cursor and joystick movement.
When both use only joystick, W route is 2 frames faster.
When M route uses optimal movement and W route uses only joystick, M route is 25 frames faster.
Path: optimal movement [gain over other movement]
Puzzle Plank → Hightail Falls: cursor [7 frames]
Hightail Falls → Boulder Bowl: joystick [3 frames]
Boulder Bowl → Wild Glide: cursor [11 frames]
Wild Glide → Cosmic Cove: cursor [9 frames]
Cosmic Cove → Honeybloom: joystick [1 frame]
Honeybloom → Lava Lair: joystick [6 frames]
Interestingly, despite the 4 frames of hitlag from the crystal, Puzzle Plank → Hightail Falls is faster than Puzzle Plank → Boulder Bowl by 4 frames.")
![[TAS] SMG2: Hightail Falls GS3 in 57.23s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eFt2U7PtYkU/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Hightail Falls GS3 in 57.23s
WARNING: Some weird flashing (its strobey but dark) when eating or single jumping with a Dash Pepper (or first person cameras). This is a graphical bug in the older version of Dolphin Im using (5.0 stable).
Green Stars TAS WIP
I was planning to put all 3 on here but GS2 had a desync. It was good in the end as I had found some improvements for GS3 - beforehand I didnt want to have to go back and redo everything but the desync motivated me to go back.
This is roughly a 2.9s improvement over this demo from last year, which has a lot of detail on some tricks: https://youtu.be/IlklCoR-V2A
57.23s IGT - 27:34.13 real-time split (1:53.28 segment)
The single jump into Yoshi was a little faster than another long jump, as another long jump would float in the air too long.
The main tech is Dash Pepper jumping.
Bunnyhopping along the ground is a little over 1 frame faster per jump, as running speed peaks at 32.4 units/frame, whereas jumping speed has an initial speed boost between 60-70, a speed of 32 while going up, and a speed of up to 34.7 while falling. Theres a frame with about 28 when landing.
Jumping on edges when horizontal will cause a lower jump, but on edges of slopes and ramps, it causes a much higher jump, which can then get up ramps faster.
The jump up the first big curve saved ~0.5s.
Double jumps can be constantly done by fluttering each jump, even if only for a frame.
The jump up the big wall saved ~0.8s. This was where I had found improvement in GS2 later on, 13 frames improvement with a much better jumping angle.
The big flutter at the end is the jda flutter. To keep all the speed going forwards, Yoshi needs to jump off the stone block as its falling, and also needs to be *on* the block; jumping off the very edge doesnt work.
After some time, a sideways slightly backwards angle needs to be held to keep speed, as is usually done for infinite flutters.
Flutter height is maxed to be as close to the first flower swing as possible.
This flower swing route is where much of the timesave comes over the 2021 demo. I must have done really badly with this route back then to find it as 0.45s slower than some Dash jumping, when in fact its 0.6s faster with what I had known then, and now its 2s faster with a new technique.
This technique is grabbing a flower swing at a specific spot so Yoshi ends up facing opposite to the way the swing goes. This spot is directly under the swing, with only 1 unit of margin on each side.
This gives Yoshi a lot of backwards momentum to add to a dismount that flies back into the star.
The swing animation is cancelled with a frame-perfect flutter, but this loses a bit of height so it only saved 1 frame needing a weakspin to grab the star.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun")
![[TAS] SMG: Freezeflame 3 final section without using Ice Flower](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fUmJLqo8kWg/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG: Freezeflame 3 final section without using Ice Flower
Now making this public to coincide with Supper Mario Broths Twitter post detailing the water boxes: https://twitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1365716700520460289
[Written from the past; early February]
A few days ago, HEYimHeroic (https://twitter.com/HEYimHeroic) told me that they and Supper had been discussing about water boxes placed in Freezeflames lava platforms, placed there as a workaround for Ice Mario instead of having to programme Ice to run on lava. They wondered if it could be possible to swim below the platforms.
This section had long been considered (but not proven) as possible when the idea of jumping on edges of lava came about: https://youtu.be/Qj2hvqlstp4?t=315 (video was just last year, but the clips were recorded sometime 2019. There are many clips of speedrunners jumping on lava too, as it seems quite easy to do if you overshoot jumping into the lava for Freezeflame 2 skip).
Around the same time I TASed this, Usernameispassword also completed this challenge by solely using these jumps (and long jumps too); no full video yet but there is a clip of their star grab in the TAS server. You should join that, by the way: https://discord.gg/h2YSCZm
But after I had made a showcase for Heroic of accessing and swimming in the waterboxes, I wanted to include the trick while completing the challenge.
It was unnecessary for the first gravity section, as I could have just long jumped across the large gap and got the same 2 lavaboosts to the snowy platforms. But it looks cool, right? Right?
I wanted something different for the 2nd section, so I long jumped over and lavaboosted to the Ice Flower platform, getting a small bounce off the rocky side of a lava platform, and then showcasing the lava running tech that you can learn about here: https://youtu.be/W28X4lLB2nY
For the final section, I did a lava edge jump and angled wallkick, and then swam most of the way up until a point where the next lava platform wasnt connected to the one I was in. I did some slow wallkick and then got a long jump off the edges of two platforms. I ended with a sideflip done by holding back and pressing A just before landing.
So this is one less transformation for SMG1. I understand some define Life Mushroom as a transformation, but with the tech involved, it isnt actually necessary.
ice flower date of death: 8th feb 2021 rip f in chat sob emoji
#SuperMarioGalaxy #Transformationless")
![[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap GS1 in 5.96s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fnTWLzyNF_M/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap GS1 in 5.96s
Luigi hyperjumps eastward into a Green star in 5.96 seconds [IGT, 358 frames].
-2 over my 2022 TAS: https://youtu.be/RikJY-wwPDk
@Joselle_Astrid really had everything figured out long ago, and her research pops back up every now and then, and something within it is then realised for optimisation.
This time its that aerial movement is ever so slightly faster when going east or west (side-facing the camera) compared to north/south (away from or towards the camera respectively). https://docs.google.com/document/d/14DAcbHw0OPSL2psmxpvAPtpAVdF_AYkYJyeE8GNZKjM/edit
This helps both in getting a slightly further long jump and single jump so they can be done earlier, and in a faster flip panel long jump, overall saving 6 frames (note: a smaller bit of improvement may have also been from a better understanding of gaining height from flip panel jumps).
As the camera is so free in this level, its much easier to get the potential out of the east/west gain, but a lot of levels would have trouble due to either limited movement or forcing itself back to the over-the-shoulder perspective - we dont have SM64s luxury of knowing if were keeping straight while the camera moves, so its harder to get the benefits.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun")
![[TAS] SMG2: Sweet Mystery Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/giU2MNLEkAE/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Sweet Mystery Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
Star order matters a very little bit due to the Choppah cycles explained more below. GS1 first is 1 frame faster.
Green Star 1 - 7.30 IGT - 1:18:04.36 real-time split (1:02.70 segment)
Even with cutscenes, this is a 1f IGT improvement over my 2021 TAS (uses Mario as his acceleration is better): https://youtu.be/xrkFOBb8Qe4
2P egg break is tied fastest with a backwards double jump that spins at the end.
I had to delay jumping and fluttering on Yoshi because of a cooldown on spinning. Backwards fluttering stays at the same speed after a short time (the third flutter in this TAS).
The flutter acceleration - and subsequent speed (about 29 horizontal speed) - gained from the spin makes this strat a few frames faster than fluttering as early as possible.
Bouncing off the berry (possible by having Yoshi stick its tongue out with B) is a strat I lifted from Jeromes GS2 IL: https://youtu.be/Yz8QEhgTgY8
Bouncing gets a burst of speed and brings flutters straight to the cap of 32hspd.
It caps at 32hspd when ascending (y speed above 0) but can go a little higher when descending. The burst of speed is maximised by keeping a flutter through bouncing, as this makes Yoshi fall earlier, being able to get up to 38hspd rather than the 34 when actually bouncing.
The bounce saved 0.2s.
An extra frame was saved thanks to the Choppah, which is where star order came in. With cutscene cycles it ends up right next to the berry, and with a 2P freeze I brushed by it so it nudged Yoshis trajectory more towards the star. This saved having to strain harder during the flutters, which would have lowered the burst of speed.
Dismounting gets another burst of speed including a mini-warp of about 67spd.
Green Star 2 - 11.20 IGT - 1:18:58.55 real-time split (54.19s segment)
Backwards jump with a spin at the end was fastest egg break by 9 frames.
Same things apply as above with the spin-start flutter and berry flutter-bouncing.
Eventually the burst of speed runs out and there isnt much bonus falling speed when going (mostly) backwards, so I go for height-optimal flutters near the end to be able to dismount as early as possible.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun")
![[TAS demo] SMG2: Starshine Beach GS3 in 45.46s w/ cutscenes](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hg8Tyo10qE8/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS demo] SMG2: Starshine Beach GS3 in 45.46s w/ cutscenes
Luigi does 4 cloud long jumps to a Green star.
Long jump ground pounding into the water at the start is ~0.25s faster than spinning backwards from the land cancel straight into the water.
Camera turns are done to keep the clouds off-screen so that they stop moving. This makes up for the bad cycle that is a result of cutscenes, and sets up a quick triple jump off the lowest cloud and wallkick up to the highest cloud to get up the tower ~2s faster than the Pianta Im a chuckster! strat.
It also makes the long jumps more of a nuisance to optimise.
I found the backflip by accident when holding Z to try to get an instant sideflip. I believe the backflip only worked because Luigis vertical speed was slow enough that he snapped onto the clouds floor instead of lifting over and landing down on it. Landing on a cloud doesnt let you backflip.
Backflipping straight to the Cloud Flower was 0.43s faster than sideflipping and spinning and then long jumping (the next fastest movement).
For the main trick, I originally tested how close you could get with a long jump and 3 cloud long jumps, testing from both the edge of the tower and the palm tree. The palm tree was a better starting point, but still only reached the star about two thirds of the way between it and the water below.
So instead I tried to cloud LJ from the tower and grab a respawned Cloud Flower at the same time to regain a third cloud for a third mid-air cloud LJ.
Initially, this also failed because the grounded cloud LJ didnt accelerate in mid-air like cloud LJs tend to do (they accelerate to 34hspd, which seems to be a general speed cap - infinite flutters also reach this speed).
As I learned from Shiverburn and Cloudy Court, sometimes the first cloud LJ of the bunch needs something special to get that fastest speed; Im not sure what, but there is always a way to eventually get it.
In this case, it seems to be that the LJ has to be near the edge of the tower (which Im beginning to think is the case for all of them aside from mid-air ones).
This meant that I had to time the cloud spin to long jump near the edge while also just about picking up the Flower from the back of Luigis hitbox. This part definitely had little effort in optimising, as I was just trying to get the speed in the first place.
From there, it was as simple as getting 2-frame cloud cancels and LJs to optimise height, finishing with a spin into the star.
This route is 6 or 7 seconds faster than an altered IL route, swapping out the backflips that speedrunners use for a cloud LJ and two cloud sideflips.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun")
![Supermassive GS1 0.5xA strat using Luma and Goomba [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iXSJYV5za-4/hqdefault.jpg "Supermassive GS1 0.5xA strat using Luma and Goomba [Luigi]
This is tool-assisted.
Havent been able to get the Goomba float without spinning into the floating animation (it gives more backwards speed), so getting onto the Luma without jumping was the next step.
P2 let go of the Luma by spinning.
This also saved 0.5x for Green Star 2, as the float can make it at least onto the pipes, or far enough to the other side that P2 can grab the checkpoint before death.
Havent been able to reach the launch star with this yet so the other stars are still 1x/1.5x with either this strat + jump into launch star, or doing the Goomba float from further along with a backflip which is enough to get into the launch star.")
