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Thank you for joining us LIVE for our monthly Silk Road Seminar.
Today John Vervaeke is joined by Edward Slingerland for a live, unscripted dialogue exploring wisdom, cognition, spontaneity, ritual, and the relationship between ancient traditions and modern scientific understanding.
Edward Slingerland is a professor of Philosophy at the University of British Columbia and a leading scholar of early Chinese thought, cognitive science, and embodied wisdom traditions. He is the author of Trying Not to Try, which explores the paradox of spontaneity and the Daoist concept of wu-wei through both classical philosophy and contemporary psychology.
Silk Road Seminars are live, exploratory dialogues where John engages leading thinkers across philosophy, theology, cognitive science, and contemplative traditions. These conversations unfold in real time through dia-logos, inviting participants into deeper reflection on meaning, wisdom, transformation, and the cultivation of an ecology of practices.
This seminar, including the Q&A, is being streamed live on YouTube and inside The Lectern community.
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Thank you for joining us LIVE for our monthly Silk Road Seminar.
Today John Vervaeke is joined by Edward Slingerland for a live, unscripted dialogue exploring wisdom, cognition, spontaneity, ritual, and the relationship between ancient traditions and modern scientific understanding.
Edward Slingerland is a professor of Philosophy at the University of British Columbia and a leading scholar of early Chinese thought, cognitive science, and embodied wisdom traditions. He is the author of Trying Not to Try, which explores the paradox of spontaneity and the Daoist concept of wu-wei through both classical philosophy and contemporary psychology.
Silk Road Seminars are live, exploratory dialogues where John engages leading thinkers across philosophy, theology, cognitive science, and contemplative traditions. These conversations unfold in real time through dia-logos, inviting participants into deeper reflection on meaning, wisdom, transformation, and the cultivation of an ecology of practices.
This seminar, including the Q&A, is being streamed live on YouTube and inside The Lectern community.
To join future live sessions and gain access to exclusive Q&As, sign up at the Gamma Tier or above on The Lectern: lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge
University students, including doctoral students, receive free access.
Email proof of student identity to: ethan@vervaekefoundation.org
If you would like to support John’s work, please consider joining the Patreon:
patreon.com/johnvervaeke
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![Exploring the Mind: John Vervaeke on Relevance Realization and Consciousness
In Episode 3 of the Active Inference Insights series, host Darius Parvizi-Wayne welcomes John Vervaeke for an insightful discussion bridging cognitive science and philosophy. The episode delves into topics like relevance realization, evolutionary processes in cognition, and understanding cultural variations in self-modeling. Verveke articulates the dynamic nature of cognition and its relationship with the environment, challenging traditional views on consciousness and the subjective-objective divide. Listeners will better understand how computational models and philosophical frameworks can synergistically enhance our comprehension of the mind and its processes. This episode is a thought-provoking journey that connects cognitive science theories with philosophical inquiries, offering listeners nuanced perspectives on the complexity of human cognition and its implications for meaning in life.
Glossary of Terms
4E Cognitive Science: A view of cognition as embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended.
Relevance Realization: The ability to focus on salient information in a complex environment.
Predictive Processing: A framework in cognitive science that describes how the brain makes predictions about incoming sensory information.
Opponent Processing: A concept in biology where two subsystems work in opposition to regulate functions like arousal.
Resources and References:
Darius Parvizi
X: https://twitter.com/dparviziwayne
Active Inference Institute: https://www.activeinference.org/
Active Inference Insights: https://www.youtube.com/@ActiveInference
John Vervaeke
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: https://vervaekefoundation.org/
Awaken to Meaning
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis
After Socrates
The Crossroads of Predictive Processing and Relevance Realization | Leiden Symposium
Timestamped Highlights
[00:00:00] - Darius Parvizi Wayne introduces the episode and guest John Verveke, highlighting Johns expertise in psychology, cognitive science, and Buddhist philosophy.
[00:06:17] - John Verveke discusses the evolution of cognitive functions and the role of evolution in shaping cognition.
[00:11:40] - Explanation of the autonomic nervous system, detailing how its two subsystems with opposite biases work together to regulate bodily functions.
[00:14:43] - The conversation delves into the nature of problem-solving, exploring how organisms predict and prepare for future states.
[00:22:23] - The concept of hyperbolic discounting in cognition is examined, analyzing its impact on decision-making and goal pursuit.
[00:26:20] - Discussion on the role of affordances in predictive processing, exploring how environments offer action possibilities to organisms.
[00:31:34] - Conversation on the analogy between relevance realization and evolutionary processes, highlighting the dynamic nature of cognitive adaptation.
[00:38:00] - The existential imperative is clarified in the context of the free energy principle, exploring its implications in cognitive science.
[00:53:00] - Consciousness and the subject-object distinction are addressed, challenging traditional cognitive models and exploring interrelational perspectives.
[00:56:35] - Cultural and historical influences on cognitive processes are explored, examining how these factors shape our understanding of cognition.
[00:57:13] - John Verveke discusses the hermeneutics of suspicion in cognitive science, questioning the distinction between appearance and reality.
[01:04:49] - The role of perception and its function in cognitive processes are discussed, emphasizing the interconnectedness of perception and cognition.
[01:11:19] - The concepts of ontological and phenomenal self-modeling are delved into, discussing how these models influence cognitive processes.
[01:14:00] - Self-modeling and its cultural variations are discussed, highlighting the diversity in conceptualizing the self across different cultures.
[01:18:16] - Agency and selfhood in cognitive processes are examined, focusing on how these concepts enhance predictive agency in the world.
[01:22:01] - Exploration of self-modeling under flow states and their impact on cognitive processes.
[01:35:54] - Analysis of arousal in the context of meta motivational theory, discussing how arousal is framed differently based on goals and motivations.
[01:38:04] - Discussion of the intersection of philosophical concepts and computational models in cognitive science, emphasizing the importance of integrating these approaches to enhance understanding without oversimplifying complex phenomena.
[01:46:26] - Overview of a talk integrating predictive processing and relevance realization theory, offering insights into their combined impact on cognitive science. Exploring the Mind: John Vervaeke on Relevance Realization and Consciousness](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ev5LWNXzET4/mqdefault.jpg)
