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Kasra Mirzaie is a clinical researcher, psychotherapist, and university teacher. His work focuses on adolescents, examining the intersection of psychotherapy, dynamical systems theory, and the meaning crisis. Kasra is dedicated to exploring how self-organizing criticality and Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy can drive transformation and personal growth in young people.
Dr Robin Barre has over 30 years of experience working with adolescents. Her dissertation focused on trauma and the archetypal nature of adolescence. She runs a small psychotherapy practice and consults with parents, caregivers, and organizations to enhance adolescent well-being.
How does the intricate dance of self-organizing criticality relate to the turmoil and transformation of adolescence?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke, Kasra Mirzaie, and Dr Robin Barre explore the transformative potential of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy in addressing the meaning crisis and supporting adolescents on their developmental journey. The conversation delves into the complex interplay of IFS, dynamical systems, and the critical phase transition of adolescence. They discuss principles such as self-organizing criticality, entropy, and insight, explaining how these concepts drive change and present unique challenges and opportunities. The episode highlights cultural shortcomings, the significance of wisdom traditions, and the role of IFS as a modern initiation process.
Embark on a journey with us to tackle the Meaning Crisis by joining our exclusive Patreon community. patreon.com/johnvervaeke
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00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
02:45 Self-Organizing Criticality & IFS
07:20 Entropy and Insight in Change
20:20 Curiosity and Transformation
23:15 Adolescence and the Meaning Crisis
47:05 Culture's Disabling Effects
50:00 IFS Initiation for Adolescents
01:04:50 Remembering Adolescence and Navigating Mistakes
01:13:40 Communicating Conflict and Validating Adolescents
01:21:10 Embracing Transformation in Adolescence and the Meaning Crisis
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The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. vervaekefoundation.org
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Tatjana Schnell
Dr Kelly-Ann Allen
Bill Plotkin
James Hillman
Vygotsky
Richard Frankel, The Adolescent Psyche
National Scientific Council on Adolescence, Cultivating Purpose in Adolescence
Relevant Episodes
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
Is IFS a Path to Self-Knowledge or Self-Deception? Insights from Kasra Mirzaie youtube.com/watch?v=hi_3WcLxyeU
Transforming Identity: The Power of IFS Therapy and Ancient Wisdom | Paul Vander Klay youtu.be/jQeXQkdiikY
Inside the Mind: Marc Lewis on Transformative Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy youtube.com/watch?v=_b_sRNGqhDA
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
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Kasra Mirzaie is a clinical researcher, psychotherapist, and university teacher. His work focuses on adolescents, examining the intersection of psychotherapy, dynamical systems theory, and the meaning crisis. Kasra is dedicated to exploring how self-organizing criticality and Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy can drive transformation and personal growth in young people.
Dr Robin Barre has over 30 years of experience working with adolescents. Her dissertation focused on trauma and the archetypal nature of adolescence. She runs a small psychotherapy practice and consults with parents, caregivers, and organizations to enhance adolescent well-being.
How does the intricate dance of self-organizing criticality relate to the turmoil and transformation of adolescence?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke, Kasra Mirzaie, and Dr Robin Barre explore the transformative potential of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy in addressing the meaning crisis and supporting adolescents on their developmental journey. The conversation delves into the complex interplay of IFS, dynamical systems, and the critical phase transition of adolescence. They discuss principles such as self-organizing criticality, entropy, and insight, explaining how these concepts drive change and present unique challenges and opportunities. The episode highlights cultural shortcomings, the significance of wisdom traditions, and the role of IFS as a modern initiation process.
Embark on a journey with us to tackle the Meaning Crisis by joining our exclusive Patreon community. patreon.com/johnvervaeke
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00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
02:45 Self-Organizing Criticality & IFS
07:20 Entropy and Insight in Change
20:20 Curiosity and Transformation
23:15 Adolescence and the Meaning Crisis
47:05 Culture's Disabling Effects
50:00 IFS Initiation for Adolescents
01:04:50 Remembering Adolescence and Navigating Mistakes
01:13:40 Communicating Conflict and Validating Adolescents
01:21:10 Embracing Transformation in Adolescence and the Meaning Crisis
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The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. vervaekefoundation.org
Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. awakentomeaning.com
—
Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Tatjana Schnell
Dr Kelly-Ann Allen
Bill Plotkin
James Hillman
Vygotsky
Richard Frankel, The Adolescent Psyche
National Scientific Council on Adolescence, Cultivating Purpose in Adolescence
Relevant Episodes
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
Is IFS a Path to Self-Knowledge or Self-Deception? Insights from Kasra Mirzaie youtube.com/watch?v=hi_3WcLxyeU
Transforming Identity: The Power of IFS Therapy and Ancient Wisdom | Paul Vander Klay youtu.be/jQeXQkdiikY
Inside the Mind: Marc Lewis on Transformative Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy youtube.com/watch?v=_b_sRNGqhDA
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
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![Exploring the Connection Between Wisdom, Love, and the Really Real
Elizabeth Oldfield is a writer, speaker, and advocate for intentional community living based in South London. Her work, including her book Fully Alive, explores the intersections of faith, culture, and ethics through a deeply personal lens.
In a world that often trivializes love and deep connections, how can we cultivate a life of wisdom, virtue, and transcendence amidst our finite existence and growing polarization?
Join John Vervaeke and Elizabeth Oldfield in a profound dialogue that explores these critical themes of human existence, drawing from Platonic to Christian thought and emphasizing the transformative power of dialogical reasoning, cognitive flexibility, and awe. Elizabeth Oldfield shares insights from her book Fully Alive, an Augustinian blend of autobiographical confession and psycho-spiritual reflection that highlights relational living and the transformative power of love. The conversation addresses the trivialization of love in modern culture and advocates for a deeper understanding while navigating the complexities of polarization in politics, the comparison between psychedelic and spiritual experiences, and the intrinsic value of community and wisdom traditions in achieving a virtuous life. Discover the necessity of grounding transformative experiences in communal practices for genuine personal and societal transformation in this thought-provoking discussion.
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Discover a profound exploration of love, wisdom, and the human soul in Elizabeth Oldfields upcoming book, Fully Alive: Tending to the Soul in Turbulent Times. https://www.amazon.com/Fully-Alive-Tending-Turbulent-Times/dp/1587436507
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“I can close my eyes now and know myself’s seen, and the deep knowing of the presence of love in my life and the way that every other moment of love, and encounter, and intimacy reflects that is the ground of my being.” - Elizabeth Oldfield [00:32:48]
Wisdom is about this loving enhancement of our connectedness. The wise person can go into a complex, messy, ill-defined situation and home in on whats relevant, summoning their agency in the right way so that they are properly responsible. - John Vervaeke [00:31:04]
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0:00 Introduction to Voices with Vervaeke: Elizabeth Oldfield
1:30 Elizabeth Oldfield: Life, Faith, and the Quest for Existential Satisfaction
2:50 Exploring Fully Alive: Deep Dialogues on Belonging, Soul, and Existential Satisfaction
6:05 Platos Insights on the Psyche, Inner Conflict, and the Pursuit of Inner Fullness
10:20 The Quest for Inner Peace, Wisdom, and Understanding Sin
14:20 The Interplay of Love, Wisdom, and the Divine in the Pursuit of Fully Aliveness
27:15 Unpacking the Realization of the Really Real: Connectedness, Love, and Presence
45:50 Identity, Cultural Scripts, and the Tension between Faith and Intellect
47:45 Expanding Our Understanding of Intelligence, Reality, and the Role of Attention
1:00:40 The Challenge of Authentic Love, Reverence, and Awe in a Trivialized World
1:13:10 Reverence, Awe, and the Cultivation of Virtue on the Path to Wisdom
1:22:50 Concluding Reflections on Love, Wisdom, and the Pursuit of Fully Aliveness
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Authors, Ideas, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Plato
Freud
Pascal
Dialogos
Kenosis
Thumos
Homo Inconvartis in Se
Plato’s Dialogues
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![Bridging Mindfulness and Philosophy | Philosophy of Meditation #5 with Evan Thompson
In the fifth episode of the Philosophy of Meditation series, hosts John Vervaeke and Rick Repetti engage with Evan Thompson, a renowned cognitive scientist and philosopher, to explore the symbiosis of meditation, cognitive science, and philosophy. The episode highlights how Evans early meditation practice shaped his philosophical outlook, emphasizing the experiential depth revealed by meditative states about consciousness. Discussions cover the transformative social aspects of meditation and philosophical views on death, underscoring Evans perspective that meditation enriches, but should not solely define, philosophy. This insightful conversation traverses the transformative potential of meditation beyond calming the mind, delving into its role in personal development and intellectual growth. By merging philosophical rigor with meditations lived experience, this conversation offers a nuanced understanding of meditations role in enhancing human cognition and self-awareness, presenting a compelling case for its profound impact on philosophical thought.
Evan Thompson is a renowned philosopher and cognitive scientist, recognized for his significant contributions to the field of 4E cognitive science, which emphasizes embodied, embedded, enactive, and extended aspects of cognition. His work intricately bridges Western philosophy with Eastern contemplative practices, particularly Buddhism, exploring the intersections of consciousness, meditation, and the human experience. Thompsons influential writings include discussions on the philosophy of mind, meditation, and the nature of self, making him a respected figure in both academic and contemplative circles.
Glossary of Terms
4E Cognitive Science: A framework in cognitive science emphasizing four key factors: embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended cognition.
Contemplative Perspectives: Approaches to understanding and experiencing reality that involve introspection and focused attention, often used in the context of meditation and mindfulness.
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Books, Articles, and Publications
Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti
https://www.amazon.com/Routledge-Handbook-Philosophy-Meditation-Repetti/dp/036764746X
Mind in Life: Biology, Phenomenology, and the Sciences of Mind - Evan Thompson https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Life-Biology-Phenomenology-Sciences/dp/0674057511/
Waking, Dreaming, Being: Self and Consciousness in Neuroscience, Meditation, and Philosophy - Evan Thompson https://www.amazon.com/Waking-Dreaming-Being-Consciousness-Neuroscience/dp/0231136951/
Why I Am Not a Buddhist - Evan Thompson https://www.amazon.com/Why-I-Am-Not-Buddhist-ebook/dp/B082P4FFRG/
Trying Not to Try: Ancient China, Modern Science, and the Power of Spontaneity - Edward Slingerland https://www.amazon.com/Trying-Not-Try-Ancient-Spontaneity/dp/077043763X/
The Blind Spot: Why Science Cannot Ignore Human Experience - Adam Frank, Marcelo Gleiser, Evan Thompson https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Spot-Science-Cannot-Experience/dp/0262048809/
Quotes
I think of myself as first and foremost a philosopher of mind who works very much on cognitive science and in collaboration with cognitive scientists. - Evan Thompson [00:04:31]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Series Introduction and Evan Thompsons Cognitive Science Expertise
[00:02:13] - Integrating Western Philosophy with Buddhist Concepts in Cognitive Science
[00:04:09] - Philosophical and Meditative Perspectives on Dying and Death
[00:07:44] - Cognitive Flexibility and Death Reflection in Meditation Practice
[00:16:15] - Mindfulness Practices Across Various Traditions and Philosophical Inquiry
[00:36:01] - Transformational Aspects of Meditation, Rituals, and Self-Cultivation
[00:50:29] - The Role of Mindfulness in Modern Culture and Science
[00:57:56] - Meditation as a Conduit Between Diverse Philosophical and Cultural Contexts
[01:00:43] - Enhancing Consciousness and Attention Through Mindfulness Practices
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![The Philosophical Silk Road: Exploring the Intersections of Philosophy and Spirituality
In the vast expanse of human thought, how do philosophy and spirituality intertwine to shape our understanding of the sacred? In this conversation, first released on Andrew Sweenys channel, The Parallax, John Vervaeke, Andrew Sweeny, and Christopher Mastropietro examine the delicate balance between philosophical rigor and spiritual experiences. They probe the challenges and rewards of navigating this complex terrain, emphasizing the transformative power of love, wisdom, and existential inquiry. By blurring the traditional boundaries between philosophical inquiry and religious practice, this conversation invites listeners to deepen their exploration of truth and meaning, ultimately fostering personal and communal growth.
Andrew Sweeny is an educator, writer, musician, and podcaster who currently teaches at Sciences Po University in Paris and serves as an editor at Parallax magazine.
Christopher Mastropietro is a philosophical writer who is fascinated by dialogue, symbols, and the concept of self. He actively contributes to the Vervaeke Foundation.
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Authors, Ideas, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Mere Christianity - C. S. Lewis
Nothingness Beyond God: An Introduction to the Philosophy of Nishida Kitaro, by Robert Edgar Carter
Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis, co-authored by Christopher Mastropietro
Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being, by James Filler
Iain McGilchrist
Daniel Schmachtenberger
Bishop Maximus
Paul Vander Klay
T.S. Eliot
Jordan Peterson
Sallie McFague
Richard Dawkins
Carl Jung
Søren Kierkegaard
Jacob Howland
Douglas Hedley
Jordan Hall
“The more people Im talking to—high caliber, high quality people in this whole arena—the advent of the sacred as a response to the meaning crisis is a growing theme. I have found myself more and more called into service to doing whatever I can to afford the advent of that.” - John Vervaeke [00:02:00]
Nobody lives on the Silk Road; people move along it. - John Vervaeke [00:03:37]
The idea of the Silk Road, to me, is that the wandering, and the traveling, and the encountering different influences, and the metabolizing of a lingua philosophica helps to create a space within oneself into which that inward process can pour itself, discover itself, and metabolize itself. - Christopher Mastropietro [00:10:57]
“The more I engage with this work, the more I realize that so much of the dawning consciousness of our encounter with the sacred is ultimately a process that happens to us. It occurs to us. We can bring consciousness to bear on it, and augment it, and make space for it, and inquire within it in such a way as to invite it.” - Christopher Mastropietro [00:11:23]
0:00 Embracing the Philosophical Silk Road: From Top-Down Religion to an Organic Spiritual Path
17:00 On the Philosophical Silk Road: An Interfaith Journey, Personal Transformation, and Confronting Idolatry
28:30 Beyond the Culture War: Embracing Authentic Dialogue and the Embodiment of Beliefs
35:40 The Unresolvable Dialogue: Embracing the Infinite Game Between Socrates and Jesus
44:10 Rediscovering the Essence of Faith: Beyond Doctrine to Personal Transformation
56:00 The Wildness of the Sacred: Recognizing and Integrating Spontaneous Spiritual Experiences
1:02:50 Philosophical and Sacred Synergies: Bridging the Divide through Love and Wisdom
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