Uploaded June 2019 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
First, I timed an Adult Ganondoor route which is called "LACS FA route", then LACS FA route was 30-50 sec faster than old N64 route (1080 route): youtu.be/UTfYvtacIWA
But I noticed using Dodongdoor for LACS FA route seemed faster, so I timed Dodongdoor route then it was 13 sec faster than Normal LACS FA route as you can see in this video.
Route Doc (Normal LACS FAroute is sheet 3, Dodongdoor route is sheet 8): docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzkHUpx9kqeXHR22-8hDE612i2Kfi9xgiCRQNSHg0rw/edit?usp=sharing
Also there is using Ganon's Castle area for fire arrows instead of LACS. It was 6 sec slower than LACS but it can be faster with good RNG. I doubt if it's really worth to do though: youtu.be/_9LrcdPxM_w
Either way, Dodongdoor route has some problems like many extra equips for fairies, no nuts Jabu and Jabu WW with bombs is kinda annoying. Also I supposed 4 Hearts Fire by Shadow HC Skip for both route, but if you want to do 5 Hearts for safe, it would be disadvantage for Dodongdoor route since you would waste bombs and some time for damaging down before Jabu WW. So I'm not sure if it's really worth to do for now.
(EDIT) Adarax found using full charged spin is good for no nuts Jabu. Actually it doesn't save time but much easier. So no nuts is less cancer now at least: youtu.be/JaE7-b_Ox_E
Btw Dodongdoor route was supposed to get GTG chus for fire arrows first, but it was slower and harder than using LACS: youtu.be/7TVpmlUursI
Also I tested to get magic bean for damage buffering in Jabu WW, but it was slower: youtu.be/l18mArnyeJY
First, I timed an Adult Ganondoor route which is called "LACS FA route", then LACS FA route was 30-50 sec faster than old N64 route (1080 route): youtu.be/UTfYvtacIWA
But I noticed using Dodongdoor for LACS FA route seemed faster, so I timed Dodongdoor route then it was 13 sec faster than Normal LACS FA route as you can see in this video.
Route Doc (Normal LACS FAroute is sheet 3, Dodongdoor route is sheet 8): docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzkHUpx9kqeXHR22-8hDE612i2Kfi9xgiCRQNSHg0rw/edit?usp=sharing
Also there is using Ganon's Castle area for fire arrows instead of LACS. It was 6 sec slower than LACS but it can be faster with good RNG. I doubt if it's really worth to do though: youtu.be/_9LrcdPxM_w
Either way, Dodongdoor route has some problems like many extra equips for fairies, no nuts Jabu and Jabu WW with bombs is kinda annoying. Also I supposed 4 Hearts Fire by Shadow HC Skip for both route, but if you want to do 5 Hearts for safe, it would be disadvantage for Dodongdoor route since you would waste bombs and some time for damaging down before Jabu WW. So I'm not sure if it's really worth to do for now.
(EDIT) Adarax found using full charged spin is good for no nuts Jabu. Actually it doesn't save time but much easier. So no nuts is less cancer now at least: youtu.be/JaE7-b_Ox_E
Btw Dodongdoor route was supposed to get GTG chus for fire arrows first, but it was slower and harder than using LACS: youtu.be/7TVpmlUursI
Also I tested to get magic bean for damage buffering in Jabu WW, but it was slower: youtu.be/l18mArnyeJY




![Timerless Deku WW to Bongo as Child Setup (Boomerang + Only Chus)
[Please Read Description for the Detail of Setup]
I made this setup in November 2018, but I didnt document well for a long time.Finally made a video for people who dont know this.
Only chus (and swordless) because its for Beat Bongo as Child RTA and getting bombs is super slow.
Beat Bongo as Child: https://youtu.be/Z8YScwgkG_c
=CS for WW=
Deku Entrance CS doesnt work for this WW, but these CS works at least
- Deku CS (the one before entering Deku)
- Bolero Warp CS
- Hyrule Field Entrance CS
=OI Setup=
0. kill Gohma at the initial position
1. after Gohma Death CS, Z-target, turn right
2. jumpslash + R, 3 left sidehips
3. drop & catch fish, neutral roll, backflip for OI
=Adjustment Setup=
1. hold right and cancel ocarina
2. slash deku stick + Z-target right after Link faces right (first 2 frames work) and keep hold right for right sidewalk
3. keep sidewalk until came near the wall, go to corner, backflip, left sidehop + sideroll, right sidehop, do left crouch stab for getting ISG from the grass
*you dont need setup for getting ISG. but often Link got right-ish angle when gran the grass and blue warp advances if you Z-target accidentally. so I used setup for safe, but just do yolo if you want to go fast
4. 2 frame ESS turn right, backwalk to Gohma Wall and Z-target to side wall
*be careful that blue warp timer would advance if you over backwalked to opposite side wall. also be careful when do 2 frame ESS turn too.
5. turn around, Z-target, walk to near by opposite side wall, 2 frame ESS turn right
*dont get too close to the wall, otherwise Link would target to the wall. or if targeted to the wall accidentally, get the angle again like this backwalk a bit, release Z and TAP UP, 2 frame ESS turn right. either way, dont release Z for too long time here, otherwise blue warp would advance
6. backwalk to the corner
*I recommend to do this backwalk SLOWLY because blue warp timer advances if you go fast before camera stops
7. do downroll from slowly backwalk, start ESS from the end of downroll (2 frames)
8. pause, hold down, advance 1 frame, hold up for backflip and shield drop a chu on the 1st backflip frame for hovering
*even if you just did forward backflip, blue warp timer wouldnt advance as long as you keep holding Z. so you can try again if you over-buffered for this part
9. shield drop a chu, backflip on the 2nd shield drop frame for 2nd hovering and target to the chu at the same time
10. pull out a chu, shield drop it on the 7th black, pull out a deku stick right after it, slash for falling on 2nd-5th explosion frame
*for chu dorp, few frames before 7th black works too, but slash frame would sift by the frame. for example, 1 frame before 7th black: slash frame would be 4 frames of 3rd-6th explosion frame
11. Z target when Link clipped and throw boomerang + hold UP to the end from specific frame (depends on Z-target frame but always frame perfect)
*there are multiple frames for Z-target + boomerang, so I just show 3 frame examples what can use easily
Z-target on 1 frame before clipping: https://imgur.com/a/nxQBeIk
Z-target on 1st clipping frame: https://imgur.com/a/Ih2zoob
Z-target on 2nd clipping frame: https://imgur.com/a/4R50MVn
For now, it requires boomerang. I hope no boomerang strat will be found someday.
Setup for Child with Bombs: https://youtu.be/4gvdXpuul5s
Setup for Adult: https://youtu.be/5yYPHdtcRqo Timerless Deku WW to Bongo as Child Setup (Boomerang + Only Chus)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BrvJwrFbzFM/mqdefault.jpg)





