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Green Stars TAS WIP
Green Star 1 - 20.58 IGT - 38:03.86 real-time split (1:16.51 segment)
For a more in-depth description, see the individual video here: youtu.be/XMDBlu3_u48
Brief notes:
- The start doesn't have any jumps in order to preserve hard landing state, which allows
the penguin launches to have uncapped horizontal speed.
- The launches work by clipping into the penguin, and then getting clipped out while spinning. If the clip-out reaches the surface of water, you get a spinny dolphin jump with all the clipping speed.
GS2/GS3 star order used to matter before new GS3 strats, as the cycles of the moving water blocks are different between cutscenes and no cutscenes. Neither of the two have water blocks sitting in the way of the shore launch, so there is no difference now.
Green Star 2 - 1:04.71 IGT - 40:03.76 real-time split (1:59.90 segment)
Ice-skating mechanics:
- Skating coasts at 18hspd, and spinning adds a boost of 9.25 to whatever the current speed is, but doesn't boost if current speed is above 18.75
- Long jumps have a fixed speed, while standard jumps are based on ground speed, while adding a small boost on top. Ground speed is conserved through jumps.
- There are two different deceleration rates of spin-skates. No full list of what causes what, but the lesser rate kicks in when you've been on ground for a short time. This is why I wait to jump at the start.
- Also for some reason uncrouch spin gained more speed than a regular spin for that initial one.
In the cave, 2P brick break + backwards slope jump + landing on the slope
just before entering water (so that holding Z will give a water long jump) ended up 0.4s faster than the nearest challenger (backwards sliding).
In the last section, double jump would be faster but this would prevent being able to long jump later on (even if Z is held during the jump), so a long jump spin is much better.
For the long jump, you can barely clip into the corner of the ceiling, and this causes a weird 'push' out of the water's surface that lets you instantly long jump. This saved 0.8s over the normal water lj method, and 0.9s over a really cool backwards long jump.
For the star grab, a similar corner clip wasn't useful as water walls don't act like surfaces. Auto-ledgegrab is faster by 8 frames over backwards spinning out of the water.
Green Star 3 - 1:11.00 IGT - 41:58.10 real-time split (1:54.34 segment)
I was able to compare to a 2020 IL TAS I did with this one: youtu.be/FB2KuYX9OZo Saved 0.53s in the first section,
and another 0.91s in the cave.
The corner clip somehow conserves double jump state, giving a triple jump 'out of water'. This saves 0.3s over the strat done in 2020 (jump & spin onto the curved ground, backflip into the water).
The Goomba launch works the same as penguin launches.
To get it high enough for the clip-out to reach the surface, some A Button Challenge tech came in handy: Goomba raising. When stunned by a spin or starbit, Goombas recoil up into the air. Spamming them with starbits can gradually lift them up.
While this causes a lot of hitlag, it was faster than the strat used in 2020, and also meant the Paragoomba could be 2P frozen higher up to make the next trick quicker.
The only downside to the launch is that when it hits the water above, Luigi immediately dives down. Fortunately not too much for 2P to let itself go of the Paragoomba.
Because Goombas immediately explode upon touching water, a Goomba launch isn't possible with the Paragoomba (it only clips Luigi down), but it can clip Luigi into the wall, where a shore launch is possible.
This is enough to reach the star; holding neutral during the launch allows for a spin once Luigi has reached the peak.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun
Green Stars TAS WIP
Green Star 1 - 20.58 IGT - 38:03.86 real-time split (1:16.51 segment)
For a more in-depth description, see the individual video here: youtu.be/XMDBlu3_u48
Brief notes:
- The start doesn't have any jumps in order to preserve hard landing state, which allows
the penguin launches to have uncapped horizontal speed.
- The launches work by clipping into the penguin, and then getting clipped out while spinning. If the clip-out reaches the surface of water, you get a spinny dolphin jump with all the clipping speed.
GS2/GS3 star order used to matter before new GS3 strats, as the cycles of the moving water blocks are different between cutscenes and no cutscenes. Neither of the two have water blocks sitting in the way of the shore launch, so there is no difference now.
Green Star 2 - 1:04.71 IGT - 40:03.76 real-time split (1:59.90 segment)
Ice-skating mechanics:
- Skating coasts at 18hspd, and spinning adds a boost of 9.25 to whatever the current speed is, but doesn't boost if current speed is above 18.75
- Long jumps have a fixed speed, while standard jumps are based on ground speed, while adding a small boost on top. Ground speed is conserved through jumps.
- There are two different deceleration rates of spin-skates. No full list of what causes what, but the lesser rate kicks in when you've been on ground for a short time. This is why I wait to jump at the start.
- Also for some reason uncrouch spin gained more speed than a regular spin for that initial one.
In the cave, 2P brick break + backwards slope jump + landing on the slope
just before entering water (so that holding Z will give a water long jump) ended up 0.4s faster than the nearest challenger (backwards sliding).
In the last section, double jump would be faster but this would prevent being able to long jump later on (even if Z is held during the jump), so a long jump spin is much better.
For the long jump, you can barely clip into the corner of the ceiling, and this causes a weird 'push' out of the water's surface that lets you instantly long jump. This saved 0.8s over the normal water lj method, and 0.9s over a really cool backwards long jump.
For the star grab, a similar corner clip wasn't useful as water walls don't act like surfaces. Auto-ledgegrab is faster by 8 frames over backwards spinning out of the water.
Green Star 3 - 1:11.00 IGT - 41:58.10 real-time split (1:54.34 segment)
I was able to compare to a 2020 IL TAS I did with this one: youtu.be/FB2KuYX9OZo Saved 0.53s in the first section,
and another 0.91s in the cave.
The corner clip somehow conserves double jump state, giving a triple jump 'out of water'. This saves 0.3s over the strat done in 2020 (jump & spin onto the curved ground, backflip into the water).
The Goomba launch works the same as penguin launches.
To get it high enough for the clip-out to reach the surface, some A Button Challenge tech came in handy: Goomba raising. When stunned by a spin or starbit, Goombas recoil up into the air. Spamming them with starbits can gradually lift them up.
While this causes a lot of hitlag, it was faster than the strat used in 2020, and also meant the Paragoomba could be 2P frozen higher up to make the next trick quicker.
The only downside to the launch is that when it hits the water above, Luigi immediately dives down. Fortunately not too much for 2P to let itself go of the Paragoomba.
Because Goombas immediately explode upon touching water, a Goomba launch isn't possible with the Paragoomba (it only clips Luigi down), but it can clip Luigi into the wall, where a shore launch is possible.
This is enough to reach the star; holding neutral during the launch allows for a spin once Luigi has reached the peak.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun
![[TAS] SMG2: Cosmic Cove Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jzX9etyV_Gw/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Cosmic Cove Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
Green Star 1 - 20.58 IGT - 38:03.86 real-time split (1:16.51 segment)
For a more in-depth description, see the individual video here: https://youtu.be/XMDBlu3_u48
Brief notes:
- The start doesnt have any jumps in order to preserve hard landing state, which allows
the penguin launches to have uncapped horizontal speed.
- The launches work by clipping into the penguin, and then getting clipped out while spinning. If the clip-out reaches the surface of water, you get a spinny dolphin jump with all the clipping speed.
GS2/GS3 star order used to matter before new GS3 strats, as the cycles of the moving water blocks are different between cutscenes and no cutscenes. Neither of the two have water blocks sitting in the way of the shore launch, so there is no difference now.
Green Star 2 - 1:04.71 IGT - 40:03.76 real-time split (1:59.90 segment)
Ice-skating mechanics:
- Skating coasts at 18hspd, and spinning adds a boost of 9.25 to whatever the current speed is, but doesnt boost if current speed is above 18.75
- Long jumps have a fixed speed, while standard jumps are based on ground speed, while adding a small boost on top. Ground speed is conserved through jumps.
- There are two different deceleration rates of spin-skates. No full list of what causes what, but the lesser rate kicks in when youve been on ground for a short time. This is why I wait to jump at the start.
- Also for some reason uncrouch spin gained more speed than a regular spin for that initial one.
In the cave, 2P brick break + backwards slope jump + landing on the slope
just before entering water (so that holding Z will give a water long jump) ended up 0.4s faster than the nearest challenger (backwards sliding).
In the last section, double jump would be faster but this would prevent being able to long jump later on (even if Z is held during the jump), so a long jump spin is much better.
For the long jump, you can barely clip into the corner of the ceiling, and this causes a weird push out of the waters surface that lets you instantly long jump. This saved 0.8s over the normal water lj method, and 0.9s over a really cool backwards long jump.
For the star grab, a similar corner clip wasnt useful as water walls dont act like surfaces. Auto-ledgegrab is faster by 8 frames over backwards spinning out of the water.
Green Star 3 - 1:11.00 IGT - 41:58.10 real-time split (1:54.34 segment)
I was able to compare to a 2020 IL TAS I did with this one: https://youtu.be/FB2KuYX9OZo Saved 0.53s in the first section,
and another 0.91s in the cave.
The corner clip somehow conserves double jump state, giving a triple jump out of water. This saves 0.3s over the strat done in 2020 (jump & spin onto the curved ground, backflip into the water).
The Goomba launch works the same as penguin launches.
To get it high enough for the clip-out to reach the surface, some A Button Challenge tech came in handy: Goomba raising. When stunned by a spin or starbit, Goombas recoil up into the air. Spamming them with starbits can gradually lift them up.
While this causes a lot of hitlag, it was faster than the strat used in 2020, and also meant the Paragoomba could be 2P frozen higher up to make the next trick quicker.
The only downside to the launch is that when it hits the water above, Luigi immediately dives down. Fortunately not too much for 2P to let itself go of the Paragoomba.
Because Goombas immediately explode upon touching water, a Goomba launch isnt possible with the Paragoomba (it only clips Luigi down), but it can clip Luigi into the wall, where a shore launch is possible.
This is enough to reach the star; holding neutral during the launch allows for a spin once Luigi has reached the peak.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun")
![[TAS] Bonsai Barber Perfect Day in 1:53.36](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kwX_I9qlvIM/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Bonsai Barber Perfect Day in 1:53.36
Bonsai Barber is a WiiWare barber-sim made by Zoonami, a team led by the director of Goldeneye N64. Inspired by the Japanese art of bonsai and the barbershop experience, it involves giving charming anthropomorphic plants a fresh trim, with styles ranging from simple shapes to bizarre structures.
The game has a real-time mechanic where you can only cut up to 5 plants per real-world day.
This TAS aims to make an entertaining and fast run to complete the Perfect Day achievement on the first day. Due to bottlenecks in the games reward system, absolute speed isnt of the essence, so theres enough time to mess around with painting, birds, and apples.
10060 rerecords
april fools, lads, the joke is that i spent time on this instead of finishing galaxy")
![[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Green Star 1 in 0.5xA Presses [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l9m2kxQx2MI/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Green Star 1 in 0.5xA Presses [Luigi]
Goomba manipulation and triple bouncing into the star all while holding A.
This isnt a new strat but I made this as there wasnt yet a video of the star in 0.5xA. Its a difficult strat so having a video for proof is helpful.
This wasnt the fastest or cleanest completion but it worked so thats all that matters.
P2 was just chillin, ready for speed tests.
Aiming the starbit and timing the spin to stop the Goomba from falling is the most precise part, but there is also some precision to the triple bounce, as you have to specifically land on the middle of the Goomba - the sides make the bounce a bit too low.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge")
![[TAS] SMG2: Fleet Glide Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mEP0JCh_u28/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Fleet Glide Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
Star order has no real effect - the Thwomps may be a couple of frames different but nothing else.
Green Star 2 - 54.06 IGT - 1:49:23.00 real-time split (1:49.85 segment)
Compared to my 2020 TAS (https://youtu.be/DA8 G1KBlo), the flying section was improved by 2 frames (42.23 on timer vs 42.26).
I struggled to keep up with the 2020 TAS without copying inputs, and even adjustments to try to improve only got to being 0.2 units ahead by the tunnel entrance (Fluzzard Hspeed is generally 47 so thats a very tiny difference).
The main issue is there is a lot of downhill - the holes at the start, the tunnel, especially the Banzai Bill part, so alternating between boost and lift to get more distance like in Wild Glide is not as beneficial here as it also ends up higher, so you lose that extra distance with sharper downtilts later.
The framesaves came right at the end of the tunnel, where the bottleneck is no longer downhill but an uptilt right at the end.
A light uptilt followed by 1-frame sharp tilt under the ceiling saved a frame on that last stretch of tunnel compared to the gentle curve of tilt from before, and optimising that + general better movement to the star saved another.
Green Star 1 - 14.18 IGT - 1:50:19.86 real-time split (56.86 segment)
IL TAS is 13.98 (https://youtu.be/vDHeMTBJWAo).
I would usually delay the cutscene skip to optimise in-game time without losing real time, however, theres a quirk with the Jibberjays dialogue where - after skipping cutscenes - it has some cooldown or inactive state before the dialogue box opens, so you could press A 0.3s later than possible and still be as fast as pressing A as early as possible.
Skipping cutscenes earlier than I usually would manages to cut down a bit (but not all) of the waiting time, so its faster RTA by 13 frames.
Because this quirk gives freedom for suboptimal movement, it means there is space for another optimisation quirk - camera cutscene movement. For dialogue or other mini-cutscenes, the camera needs to reach a certain point to rest before the box appears or the thing happens, so frames can be saved by getting the camera closer to its point before activating the scene/dialogue.
If heading straight to the Jibberjay, the camera really slowly moves to its point, so instead I run and slide around the right, saving 7 frames on camera movement (which seems to not be limited by the cooldown quirk I guess?).
Also 7 frames difference was bigger than the IL of 6 frames difference. Maybe 1 more frame to save in IL!
As nemi43 found, tilting up and slightly to the side grabs the star 1f earlier because hitboxes.
#supermariogalaxy2 #toolassistedspeedrun")
![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Honeybloom Green Star 2 in 59.31s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mKKOJihre2Y/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Honeybloom Green Star 2 in 59.31s
Luigi and P2 fly through the bees garden to collect a Green Star in 59.31 seconds [IGT, 3559 frames].
This was optimised for real time comparison rather than in-game time, so 0.18s IGT was lost by skipping the flying cutscene.
Honeybloom GS2 joins the sub 1 club!
The first major change from the route is landing early from the swing and backflipping up the wall, instead of landing later and bouncing off the Goomba from a long jump. This saved a few frames.
The fastest method from this point was doing one wallkick and getting a long jump, spinning to the wall and wallkick spinning off the wall to the ledge with the Bee shroom, and backflipping up. This was faster than the usual double wallkick, no long jump, sideflip, backflip method by 0.5s.
The next section looks clunky, but is faster than several other routes I tested. After the first long jump, I held neutral for half of the single jump in order to avoid the Bee shroom, with the neutral landing still keeping most of the momentum for the double jump onto the bee.
The triple jump is the reason why this ended up faster, being able to get straight to the first cloud without going to the first flower.
I first tried doing a sideflip from the cloud and going through the flower to get warped up onto the second cloud, then backwards jumping to the checkpoint ledge.
However, I then tried jumping onto the flower and doing a sideflip from there and seeing if a spin could make it that way onto the ledge. It was just a bit short.
But by freezing the copter enemy (could also work with starbit stuns) I could use a weak spin to change how Luigi would collide with the enemy, including changing how the push effect would work - without the weak spin, Luigi would have done a somersault animation and got pushed to the left, but with the spin, he instead just floated up off the enemy and continued going right.
This saved 10 frames over the original sideflip-flower warp-backwards jump strat.
Long jumping on that ledge was faster than running and turning by a few frames, despite getting stuck on the wall for so long.
Crouch spin knockback was a few frames faster for grabbing the vine than just dropping off.
With the Bee suit, going upwards reduces horizontal speed to 8 units/frame, but while dropping, hspd goes up to 10.25 u/f.
With this in mind, mashing A to slowly hover down is the best horizontal tactic for Bee flight.
Hovering down past the first cloud was a bit faster than going up onto it and continuing from there, by only 5 frames.
On the cloud I landed on, I waited for it to bounce up to get more height in the jump, which was a bit faster.
For the pole, I spun just before grabbing to get a faster turn on it.
Sideflipping up the first ledge was faster than backflipping by 1 frame, due to being able to execute it 1 frame earlier.
Sideflipping up the second ledge was faster by a few more frames as backflipping needed to land further in on the first ledge in order to work, meaning it would have to land later, whereas sideflipping just needed to land on the edge.
Long jumping into the Bee shroom is 2f faster than jumping or running.
Having P2 bring a coin to refill some of the Fly meter saved 6 frames of the refill time spent on the swings log.
Jumping and starting the final flight with neutral joystick was faster as it gains a bit more height than holding a direction, and height was the key factor to grabbing the star early.
Spinning into the star saved 5 frames.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun")
![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Rolling Masterpiece Green Star 2 in 1:00.63](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mTI_hX9rb5o/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Rolling Masterpiece Green Star 2 in 1:00.63
Luigi bounces on a ruler to collect a Green Star in 1 minute 0.63 seconds [IGT, 3638 frames].
Spinning onto the ball is faster than the somersault animation by 0.2s.
The paintbrush planet is where theres room for improvement, particularly getting a better bonk off the red paintbrushes to bounce down rather than sideways.
Jumping through the red brushes is slower, and I tried many times to jump through the green brushes with no luck.
Jumping into the key is the best option as landing cuts off most of the momentum, allowing for a quicker u-turn back around to the red brushes.
In the next section, it is barely possible to jump from the flipswitches to the top disc. This required a full run-up (with a jump that lands on the edge of the flipswitch to keep speed) and a last frame jump.
For the last planet, I tried carrying some of the launch momentum across the whole planet with constant jumping, but it was a few frames faster to jump once and quickly roll off the little disc platform to quickly get up to rolling speed.
Its possible to land on the sides of the ruler, with the left side being more lenient than the right, even being able to land and roll along on the left side. But constant jumping is faster in this case. This is called ruler grinding, or ruler bouncing. idk what to call it.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun")
![[TAS] SMG2: Fearsome Fleet Green Star 2 in 0xA Presses [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mu-uC5I3fyA/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Fearsome Fleet Green Star 2 in 0xA Presses [Luigi]
This saves 0.5x over the previous count. Nice to clean up half presses.
Credit to SaladBowl for the idea of getting a Hammer Bro higher up the ship. Salads channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsSYX9Ev_TqYxXRXTqHTNAA
P2 is there chillin waiting for me to test speed strats, but it doesnt do anything here. There is a possibility for it to be used in a full run though...
The timing for hitting a recovering Hammer Bro with a spin is much tighter than it looks - there are a few frames after it stands up where another hit will still kill it, but then just a few frames later, it jumps away, and if you hit it a few frames into its jump, its an insta-kill, so you only have a few standing frames and early jumping frames to hit it without killing it.
Yoshis tongue, however, can hit it whenever.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge")
![[TAS] SMG2: Supermassive Green Star 1 in 1xA + 0.5xA P2 [Mario]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nFvOR6B6kA0/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Supermassive Green Star 1 in 1xA + 0.5xA P2 [Mario]
Mario takes flight off a large Goomba with the help of P2 to collect a Green Star in 1 A press.
P2 can hold A before and throughout the level, letting go of the Goomba by itself when it gets hit or goes off-screen.
P2 is used to prevent Mario from getting hit by the Goomba, to stop it moving, and to lower it enough for Mario to get on top without using up a spin.
It was also useful after getting the reverse gravity/axis float, as it stopped Mario kicking the stunned Goomba which would break the float.
Reverse gravity/axis float: We dont have a full technical explanation, but the general theory is that an NPC sphere (used for enemies, allies, crystals, signs) has a push function - which is usually overridden by bounce or damage - that is supposed to push Mario off if he tries to land on top.
This action ends up messing with Marios gravitational pull in some way, typically making him fall slowly, but with some precise interaction, it can completely flip Marios reading of gravity (one theory is that its reversing the reading of the 3D axes, considering you need backwards movement), making him float slowly upwards until something eventually brings him back down to earth (interacting with something like an enemy or wall, or just eventually over time).
Really should ask modders more about how the game works lol
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge")
![[ABC TAS] SMG2: Cosmic Cove GS1 in 0.5xA (+ P2 0.5xA)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nHFTmux0Ae4/hqdefault.jpg "[ABC TAS] SMG2: Cosmic Cove GS1 in 0.5xA (+ P2 0.5xA)
Mario and P2 attack a penguin and a fish for some flying miles to collect a Green Star in 0.5 A presses.
Both Mario and P2s 0.5 are only required for the Cheep Cheep, with P2 using it to freeze and spin the Cheep, and Mario needing it to clip inside without hitting or being hit.
This saves 4 A presses from the previous count, avoiding the ice waterfall walljumps by launching off the Cheep into the star.
Also in this video is a launch worthy of the title mega, somehow getting 129 XYZ initial speed (67 yspd, 110 hspd) off the penguin to go rocketing across the first stretch of the planet.
You can find more mega launches here: https://youtu.be/bcCLTZ1MykQ
#SuperMarioGalaxy #abuttonchallenge")
