Grassdigger | Skipping the First Paper Bag: A Pikmin 2 Challenge @grassdigger8695 | Uploaded August 2018 | Updated October 2024, 3 hours ago.
This challenge is the culmination of a lot of glitches, including a few recent ones!
First of all, day 1 extinction is required, which HSS0136 demonstrates here: youtube.com/watch?v=IieBje4CqMo
This way, we aren't forced to crush the paper bag on day 1. Now, I need to grow around 64 reds, which is why the video starts at day 9.
Next, I need to find a way to crush the 35-weight paper bag from the landing site. Why would this help me skip the 15-weight paper bag? Well, do you recall the reunion cutscene that plays when this paper bag is crushed? Quote Balrog discovered that this cutscene can play if ANY paper bag is crushed for the first time. Furthermore, he shows that this cutscene will place both leaders into the same coordinates as usual (which is out of bounds in Awakening Woods). Here is the video where he shows all of this: youtube.com/watch?v=23_qJcGWEjk
This cutscene isn't the only one that places captains into specific coordinates. Some cutscenes can be played in areas where they are not intended to play in, which causes a glitch we call Coordinate Displacement: youtube.com/watch?v=kQWOk0BhrMM
But how can I crush the 35-weight paper bag from so far away? One hyphenated word: C-Stick. I previously showed that we can get a Pikmin past the 35-weight paper bag on day 1: youtube.com/watch?v=OmR-JbgrjMM
And now, I can use a similar technique to get Pikmin on the 35-weight paper bag! I simply swarm a small group of 5 Pikmin around the invisible walls that surround the 15-weight paper bag. Then, once they're on the big gray block, I can C-Stick them onto the 35-weight paper bag. However, I can't dismiss them here, or else they will always walk off the paper bag. (This is because when you dismiss, all Pikmin of a certain type try to reach a common point, which is the average of their positions. Since I have more Pikmin following me in the landing site, this point will be off of the paper bag.) So instead, I move away from the 5 Pikmin while using the C-Stick to make sure they stay on the paper bag, and they'll stop following me once I'm far enough away. Note that it's important that 34 Pikmin are following me, as Pikmin can swarm far away from the leader if 34 Pikmin are in my army. This mechanic is also important for Lugia Skip. Kap discusses this at the start of his tutorial: youtube.com/watch?v=jBa6usXNsJQ
Up to now, I've been using emulator tools. This is because placing 5 reds onto the paper bag is pretty tricky, and if I messed up, I would lose a lot of valuable time. So this has been sort of like a TAS, but less optimal. I didn't use frame-advance for anything, except for the first time I withdrew reds from the Onion, which I did just for fun.
Once the paper bag is crushed and the cutscene plays, I am placed inside of the 15-weight paper bag! There's not much I can do while inside. Even if I crush the paper bag with a leader inside, I can't clip through any walls. Fortunately, I can go through the paper bag from here!
Note that if I carry objects to the paper bag, they can't be carried past it, even though this wouldn't happen in normal gameplay. I previously showed this when I picked up Courage Reactor before crushing any paper bags: youtube.com/watch?v=WXU0nreITyc
Regardless, I can go to Emergence Cave, unlock purples, and collect the Spherical Atlas. I tried using purples to put 24 weight on the paper bag to see if it would still get crushed, and alas, it seems like any weight greater than 15 will also crush the paper bag. Anyways, I can now discover every Pikmin type, go to the 3 other maps, and complete them, all without crushing the first paper bag!
But how could I ever complete Valley of Repose? I can't play the reunion cutscene again, so there's seemingly no way to get past the paper bag now. HOWEVER, I recently found a new napsack carry spot, which I actually discovered while searching for a way out of the landing site! Here it is if you haven't seen it yet: youtube.com/watch?v=jeWWRJSOtv8
I can also bring blues with me, which means that I can officially go anywhere in Valley of Repose!
However, at the moment, completing Valley of Repose isn't looking too good. While I can complete every cave and collect Pink Menace, Spiny Alien Treat and Unspeakable Wonder, the other 4 treasures pose a big problem. This is because they must be carried in a path that goes through the paper bag, even though they could theoretically go around it on a path by Emergence Cave! Also, even when the bridge is built and only blue Pikmin are carriers, Fossilized Ursidae and Temporal Mechanism are carried towards the paper bag. So as of right now, we can *almost* skip the first paper bag and complete the game. We just need to find a way to collect these 4 treasures. I feel like charging could help us out with this, which muratsubo discovered a few months ago: twitter.com/muratsubo/status/977499568085508096
This challenge is the culmination of a lot of glitches, including a few recent ones!
First of all, day 1 extinction is required, which HSS0136 demonstrates here: youtube.com/watch?v=IieBje4CqMo
This way, we aren't forced to crush the paper bag on day 1. Now, I need to grow around 64 reds, which is why the video starts at day 9.
Next, I need to find a way to crush the 35-weight paper bag from the landing site. Why would this help me skip the 15-weight paper bag? Well, do you recall the reunion cutscene that plays when this paper bag is crushed? Quote Balrog discovered that this cutscene can play if ANY paper bag is crushed for the first time. Furthermore, he shows that this cutscene will place both leaders into the same coordinates as usual (which is out of bounds in Awakening Woods). Here is the video where he shows all of this: youtube.com/watch?v=23_qJcGWEjk
This cutscene isn't the only one that places captains into specific coordinates. Some cutscenes can be played in areas where they are not intended to play in, which causes a glitch we call Coordinate Displacement: youtube.com/watch?v=kQWOk0BhrMM
But how can I crush the 35-weight paper bag from so far away? One hyphenated word: C-Stick. I previously showed that we can get a Pikmin past the 35-weight paper bag on day 1: youtube.com/watch?v=OmR-JbgrjMM
And now, I can use a similar technique to get Pikmin on the 35-weight paper bag! I simply swarm a small group of 5 Pikmin around the invisible walls that surround the 15-weight paper bag. Then, once they're on the big gray block, I can C-Stick them onto the 35-weight paper bag. However, I can't dismiss them here, or else they will always walk off the paper bag. (This is because when you dismiss, all Pikmin of a certain type try to reach a common point, which is the average of their positions. Since I have more Pikmin following me in the landing site, this point will be off of the paper bag.) So instead, I move away from the 5 Pikmin while using the C-Stick to make sure they stay on the paper bag, and they'll stop following me once I'm far enough away. Note that it's important that 34 Pikmin are following me, as Pikmin can swarm far away from the leader if 34 Pikmin are in my army. This mechanic is also important for Lugia Skip. Kap discusses this at the start of his tutorial: youtube.com/watch?v=jBa6usXNsJQ
Up to now, I've been using emulator tools. This is because placing 5 reds onto the paper bag is pretty tricky, and if I messed up, I would lose a lot of valuable time. So this has been sort of like a TAS, but less optimal. I didn't use frame-advance for anything, except for the first time I withdrew reds from the Onion, which I did just for fun.
Once the paper bag is crushed and the cutscene plays, I am placed inside of the 15-weight paper bag! There's not much I can do while inside. Even if I crush the paper bag with a leader inside, I can't clip through any walls. Fortunately, I can go through the paper bag from here!
Note that if I carry objects to the paper bag, they can't be carried past it, even though this wouldn't happen in normal gameplay. I previously showed this when I picked up Courage Reactor before crushing any paper bags: youtube.com/watch?v=WXU0nreITyc
Regardless, I can go to Emergence Cave, unlock purples, and collect the Spherical Atlas. I tried using purples to put 24 weight on the paper bag to see if it would still get crushed, and alas, it seems like any weight greater than 15 will also crush the paper bag. Anyways, I can now discover every Pikmin type, go to the 3 other maps, and complete them, all without crushing the first paper bag!
But how could I ever complete Valley of Repose? I can't play the reunion cutscene again, so there's seemingly no way to get past the paper bag now. HOWEVER, I recently found a new napsack carry spot, which I actually discovered while searching for a way out of the landing site! Here it is if you haven't seen it yet: youtube.com/watch?v=jeWWRJSOtv8
I can also bring blues with me, which means that I can officially go anywhere in Valley of Repose!
However, at the moment, completing Valley of Repose isn't looking too good. While I can complete every cave and collect Pink Menace, Spiny Alien Treat and Unspeakable Wonder, the other 4 treasures pose a big problem. This is because they must be carried in a path that goes through the paper bag, even though they could theoretically go around it on a path by Emergence Cave! Also, even when the bridge is built and only blue Pikmin are carriers, Fossilized Ursidae and Temporal Mechanism are carried towards the paper bag. So as of right now, we can *almost* skip the first paper bag and complete the game. We just need to find a way to collect these 4 treasures. I feel like charging could help us out with this, which muratsubo discovered a few months ago: twitter.com/muratsubo/status/977499568085508096
