Esther Perel Tells Us Why Were Drawn to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelces New Heights Interaction @estherperel

Uploaded August 2025 | Updated September 2026, 1 hour ago

When asked about how Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce interacted on the New Heights podcast, I immediately thought of the term compersion—a.k.a., sympathetic joy.

I found this definition: “Compersion is the feeling of joy one experiences at another person's happiness, especially when it involves a loved one or someone close. It's often described as the opposite of jealousy.”

It’s refreshing for us to see those close to someone super successful delight in their achievements - and to see both partners exhibit this adoration and admiration so freely and confidently and publicly.

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Esther Perel Tells Us Why We're Drawn to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's New Heights Interaction