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In this thought-provoking conversation, legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber joins Kelly and Jay to discuss his groundbreaking new book, The Fourth Mind. Whitley explores the anatomy, intelligence, and consciousness of the beings he refers to as "the Visitors"—entities many associate with the Greys. He shares profound insights into their nature, their relationship to time, and why their presence on Earth may be more intertwined with us than we realize.
This episode takes a deep dive into:
🔹 How our brains struggle to process encounters with the unknown
🔹 The concept of the "fourth mind" and why it's missing in us but not in them
🔹 The Visitors' relationship to time and their desperate need to reconnect with the present moment
🔹 The risks and rewards of telepathic contact with non-human intelligence
🔹 The role of experiencers in shaping our collective understanding of these phenomena
Whitley also opens up about his lifelong experiences, the mysterious nature of the Visitors, and the deeper implications of our interactions with them. Prepare for a conversation that will challenge your perceptions of reality.
Mentioned in This Episode
📖 The Fourth Mind by Whitley Strieber –https://a.co/d/3Tj8G2i
📚 Them by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/gqYziUQ
🎥 Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – Watch at Cosmosis.Media
🎙️ Dreamland Podcast – Hosted by Whitley Strieber at UnknownCountry.com
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
01:43 Introducing Whitley Strieber
06:16 Exploring the Fourth Mind Concept
09:57 The Visitors and Their Nature
14:34 Communion and Its Significance
19:57 Differences and Similarities with the Greys
28:01 The Role of the Visitors in Human History
33:07 Exploring Subjectivity and Objectivity in Phenomena
37:01 Meditation and Contact Work
38:44 The Nature of the Greys
40:28 Experiencing the Visitors
47:37 The Importance of Telepathy
01:00:16 The Urgency of the Fourth Mind
01:03:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
In this thought-provoking conversation, legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber joins Kelly and Jay to discuss his groundbreaking new book, The Fourth Mind. Whitley explores the anatomy, intelligence, and consciousness of the beings he refers to as "the Visitors"—entities many associate with the Greys. He shares profound insights into their nature, their relationship to time, and why their presence on Earth may be more intertwined with us than we realize.
This episode takes a deep dive into:
🔹 How our brains struggle to process encounters with the unknown
🔹 The concept of the "fourth mind" and why it's missing in us but not in them
🔹 The Visitors' relationship to time and their desperate need to reconnect with the present moment
🔹 The risks and rewards of telepathic contact with non-human intelligence
🔹 The role of experiencers in shaping our collective understanding of these phenomena
Whitley also opens up about his lifelong experiences, the mysterious nature of the Visitors, and the deeper implications of our interactions with them. Prepare for a conversation that will challenge your perceptions of reality.
Mentioned in This Episode
📖 The Fourth Mind by Whitley Strieber –https://a.co/d/3Tj8G2i
📚 Them by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/gqYziUQ
🎥 Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – Watch at Cosmosis.Media
🎙️ Dreamland Podcast – Hosted by Whitley Strieber at UnknownCountry.com
💫 Stay Tuned for Part 2 Next Week!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
01:43 Introducing Whitley Strieber
06:16 Exploring the Fourth Mind Concept
09:57 The Visitors and Their Nature
14:34 Communion and Its Significance
19:57 Differences and Similarities with the Greys
28:01 The Role of the Visitors in Human History
33:07 Exploring Subjectivity and Objectivity in Phenomena
37:01 Meditation and Contact Work
38:44 The Nature of the Greys
40:28 Experiencing the Visitors
47:37 The Importance of Telepathy
01:00:16 The Urgency of the Fourth Mind
01:03:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 6: Mr. Delonge Goes To Washington [Pt 1]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sK7bMzgH3rM/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 6: Mr. Delonge Goes To Washington [Pt 1]
Hidden in plain sight, right smack dab in the middle of the growing UFO disclosure movement of the past 5 years, is a story so strange, so entirely unexpected that you wouldn’t be blamed for mistaking it for fiction — but it’s true.
While researching the events and cast of characters around the infamous New York Times article and the leaked US Navy videos that confirmed the reality of the UFO phenomenon one unlikely figure stands out among the crowd of former CIA agents, aerospace executives, and other high-ranking officials — pop runk icon, Tom Delonge.
But the notorious UFO enthusiast and former Blink 182 frontman doesn’t just make a cameo in this story — without him, there would likely have been no story to tell.
In part one of this story, we’ll explore how Tom Delonge’s early life and road to stardom set him on a collision course with this important moment in history, the shocking story of how he assembled his team for the To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, and the pivotal role that he played in the events that led to the Pentagon’s stunning admission that UFOs are, in fact, real.
Get the full show notes along with photos, videos, source list, bonus materials, & more: bit.ly/ep6notes
Hear the full interview of Ross Coulthard on Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal: https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
Buy Sekret Machines: Gods: Volume 1 of Gods Man & War (Gods, Man & War) by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda: https://amzn.to/3rbaIHU
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Sekret Machines Book One: Chasing Shadows by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley: https://amzn.to/3rWgUmc
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Music by Rival Tides: rivaltides.com
Music Break: Vultures! [Instrumental]
Outro: All My Friends Are Stoned [Instrumental]
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro Music
00:30 Intro
03:10 Tom Delonge: Early Life
04:45 Tom Delonge: Formation of Blink-182 & Career
11:08 2014: Tom Delonge’s First Encounter With The UFO Phenomenon
13:01 Tom Delonge Leaves Blink-182
13:54 To The Stars
17:36 Tom Delonge Assembles His Advisors
18:00 Music Break
20:11 The Aerospace Executive
24:46 The General
26:47 The CIA
28:46 Has Tom Delonge Lost His Mind?
30:04 The Podesta Emails
33:35 Who Were Tom Delonge’s Secret Advisors?
33:48 Aerospace Executive: Robert F. Weiss
34:15 Major General Michael Carey
34:36 Major General Neil McCasland
35:16 Tom Delonge Is Vindicated
35:56 To The Stars Academy Of Arts & Sciences
37:04 Christopher Mellon, National Security Affairs Advisor
37:38 Steve Justice (SkunkWorks), Aerospace Division Director
38:15 Dr. Hal Puthoff, Co-Founder and VP of Science & Technology
39:10 Jim Semivan (CIA), Co-Founder and VP of Operations
39:39 Luis Elizondo (AATIP), Director of Global Security & Special Programs (AATIP)
41:40 Leaked UFO Videos & The New York Times Article
42:48 Give Tom Delonge His Flowers, Dammit")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] The Disclosure Field Guide [Pt 1]: Ontological Shock & Getting Reoriented](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sUXs_pTlYrQ/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] The Disclosure Field Guide [Pt 1]: Ontological Shock & Getting Reoriented
In this episode, we explore the complexities of confronting the reality of UFO disclosure. Information that significantly challenges your worldview can be hard to process. In light of UFO whistleblower David Grusch’s recent allegations—that the US government is in possession of non-human craft and bodies—even those within the community who thought that they were ready for these kinds of revelations have found themselves reeling.
In this episode, we discuss ontological shock—what it is, how to cope with it, and how to avoid the major pitfalls. And we work on beginning to resolve our ontological shock but getting ourselves reoriented in a world where nothing is as we once thought it was.
No matter where you are in your journey, I hope this episode offers you something that you can take for the road. And if you know people who are just starting out, or who are finding themselves feeling disoriented right now in ways they can’t identify, this is a great episode to share with them.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00:30 Introduction
00:05:30 Ontological Shock
00:07:29 The Signs of Ontological Shock
00:08:42 The Pitfalls of Ontological Shock
00:14:07 Resolving Ontological Shock
00:16:47 What Exactly Are We Dealing With?
00:19:00 How Has Perception of the UFO Phenomenon Changed Over Time?
00:19:11 -UFOs: 1947 to Present
00:23:48 -UFOs: Before 1947
00:29:13 What Forces Have Shaped & Influenced The Perception Of UFOs
00:29:44 -Cultural Context
00:36:47 -The Government
00:50:38 -The Media
00:57:47 -The Phenomenon
01:00:25 Who Can You Trust?")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 1: The Pentagon Says That UFOs Are Real](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/todBxV4CytM/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 1: The Pentagon Says That UFOs Are Real
Welcome to the first episode of The UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast: a podcast about UFOs, consciousness, conspiracies, and high strangeness — hosted by Kelly Chase.
In this episode well discuss the Pentagons stunning admission that UFOs are real and the declassified Navy videos that shocked the world. What is going on here?
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
01:28 The UFO Rabbit Hole: Origins
04:15 The Pentagon Says UFOs Are Real
06:52 Declassified UFO Video: Gimbal
07:53 Declassified UFO Video: FLIR
08:20 Declassified UFO Video: Go Fast
09:42 Declassified Navy UFO Videos: What Are They?
10:42 Enter Lue Elizondo, Former Director Of Secret UFO Program, AATIP
11:14 UFOs/UAPs: Lues 5 Observables
12:45 Down The Rabbit Hole")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] July 2023 Pre-Hearing Analysis: Where Are The Whistleblowers?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vPlZoYBBlO0/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] July 2023 Pre-Hearing Analysis: Where Are The Whistleblowers?
As we look forward to next weeks hearing, were discussing concerns about the witnesses, the stunning allegations from members of Congress, and what we should expect in the week to come.
CORRECTION:
In this episode I incorrectly stated that David Fravor took the TicTac video. That is not true. He was present for the incident and saw the craft, but the video was not taken by him.
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Mike Clelland: Owls, UFOs, and the Unfathomable Unseen](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y-98uGc76Gk/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Mike Clelland: Owls, UFOs, and the Unfathomable Unseen
In this episode, I spoke with author, illustrator, and researcher, Mike Clelland. Mike is the author of several books, two of which we’ll be discussing directly in this episode. The first is The Messengers: Owls, Synchronicity, and the UFO Abductee. The second is his latest release, The Unseen, which is a fiction book that deals with many of the themes of his other work. He also provided the illustrations for the book The Cryptoterrestrials: A Meditation on Indigenous Humanoids and the Aliens Among Us by Mac Tonnies, that we’ll also be discussing in this episode. You can find links to all of his work below.
BOOKS BY MIKE CLELLAND
The Messengers: Owls, Synchronicity and the UFO Abductee: https://a.co/d/ionYzML
The Unseen: https://a.co/d/8fI31Ly
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![[UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 34: The Disclosure Field Guide [Pt 2]: Black Budgets & The Secret Space Program](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yFdPX02QvFg/mqdefault.jpg "[UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 34: The Disclosure Field Guide [Pt 2]: Black Budgets & The Secret Space Program
This episode was guest written by Mark Burchick. To find out more about Mark, click on the episode brief below.
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Today we are going to be continuing our Disclosure Field Guide series. As the disclosure narrative continues to unfold, this series seeks to offer a roadmap for those trying to make sense of just what exactly is going on in this strange and confounding moment in our human history.
In the first episode, we talked about how to deal with the ontological shock of recognizing that the world that we live in is not what we were told, and how to get reoriented within that new paradigm. In part two, we’re going to go a step further by diving into the history and structure of the institutionalized secrecy that has kept the reality of the UFO phenomenon hidden in plain sight for decades.
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