Uploaded September 2024 | Updated September 2026, 3 hours ago
NEW VIDEO: Today we hear from two members of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church as they tell us how they were trapped for years in very destructive marriages by church leaders. They were repeatedly coerced and pressured by the pastor to stay with their spouses, even at great cost to their health, children, financial stability, and safety.
This isn’t surprising. The OPC’s official public online doctrinal stance does not condone divorce for physical violence, emotional or financial abuse, family-crushing addictions, or neglect and indifference. This policy is unsafe for abused wives and husbands, and (sadly), and while you may choose to stay and try to change the church (as one woman did), it may be best to resign from churches that smear the victimized spouse as "unforgiving" and repeatedly give a hand slap and a free pass to the abuser. #orthodoxpresbyterianchurch
I’m interviewing Caroline McKuen, a longtime Christian and dedicated church volunteer, and Alison Gerardi, a pastor’s wife. Caroline has started a new nonprofit organization for Presbyterians (and others) who are stuck in church “counseling” merry-go-rounds that never allow them to escape abusive marriages. The organization is called the Presbyterian Advocacy Coalition.
See below for links to their organization and to newspaper article about the pastor of their church. presbyterianadvocacycoalition.org/blog-1/why-women-dont-win-abuse-cases-in-presbyterian-churches
News articles about their stories:
Times-Union, New York
web.archive.org/web/20240722005419/https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/allegations-spiritual-abuse-calvary-church-19551662.php
News story:
angloamerica101.wordpress.com/2024/07/23/calvary-orthodox-presbyterian-church-pastor-dissuaded-women-from-ending-what-they-said-were-abusive-marriages
This is the nonprofit that Caroline and Allison have started to help Presbyterian women who are in abusive marriages or want to help someone who is:
presbyterianadvocacycoalition.org/blog-1/why-women-dont-win-abuse-cases-in-presbyterian-churches
Free downloadable comparison chart of churches and denominational policies. Find out which do and do not condone divorce for physical violence, emotional and financial abuse, or family-crushing addictions. lifesavingdivorce.com/unsafe
ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. Since 1998, she has worked in churches in the Los Angeles area. She helps heartbroken people find strength, courage, and healing. For more than 25 years she has worked with Christian women and men going through difficult, life-saving divorces, listening with compassion to those who have suffered from domestic violence, betrayal, infidelity, addicted partners, and emotional abuse.
Herself the survivor of a toxic marriage, she walked through her own lifesaving divorce and was a single mother for many years. Today she is happily remarried. She is a graduate of Wheaton College with a degree in Bible and Christian Education.
For more information:
Website and Blog: LifeSavingDivorce.com
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/lifesavingdivorce.bsky.social
Facebook facebook.com/lifesavingdivorce
Instagram instagram.com/gretchenbaskerville
You Tube youtube.com/@lifesavingdivorce
Twitter twitter.com/GGBaskerville
What's a Life-Saving Divorce? A Life-Saving Divorce is a divorce for serious reasons: a pattern of sexual immorality, physical abuse, chronic emotional abuse, domestic violence, felony behavior, life-destroying addictions, or abandonment/neglect.
Book, "The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships"
Paperback or eBook: amzn.to/3CCBsnr AUDIOBOOK: amzn.to/4f52Mh4
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NEW VIDEO: Today we hear from two members of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church as they tell us how they were trapped for years in very destructive marriages by church leaders. They were repeatedly coerced and pressured by the pastor to stay with their spouses, even at great cost to their health, children, financial stability, and safety.
This isn’t surprising. The OPC’s official public online doctrinal stance does not condone divorce for physical violence, emotional or financial abuse, family-crushing addictions, or neglect and indifference. This policy is unsafe for abused wives and husbands, and (sadly), and while you may choose to stay and try to change the church (as one woman did), it may be best to resign from churches that smear the victimized spouse as "unforgiving" and repeatedly give a hand slap and a free pass to the abuser. #orthodoxpresbyterianchurch
I’m interviewing Caroline McKuen, a longtime Christian and dedicated church volunteer, and Alison Gerardi, a pastor’s wife. Caroline has started a new nonprofit organization for Presbyterians (and others) who are stuck in church “counseling” merry-go-rounds that never allow them to escape abusive marriages. The organization is called the Presbyterian Advocacy Coalition.
See below for links to their organization and to newspaper article about the pastor of their church. presbyterianadvocacycoalition.org/blog-1/why-women-dont-win-abuse-cases-in-presbyterian-churches
News articles about their stories:
Times-Union, New York
web.archive.org/web/20240722005419/https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/allegations-spiritual-abuse-calvary-church-19551662.php
News story:
angloamerica101.wordpress.com/2024/07/23/calvary-orthodox-presbyterian-church-pastor-dissuaded-women-from-ending-what-they-said-were-abusive-marriages
This is the nonprofit that Caroline and Allison have started to help Presbyterian women who are in abusive marriages or want to help someone who is:
presbyterianadvocacycoalition.org/blog-1/why-women-dont-win-abuse-cases-in-presbyterian-churches
Free downloadable comparison chart of churches and denominational policies. Find out which do and do not condone divorce for physical violence, emotional and financial abuse, or family-crushing addictions. lifesavingdivorce.com/unsafe
ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. Since 1998, she has worked in churches in the Los Angeles area. She helps heartbroken people find strength, courage, and healing. For more than 25 years she has worked with Christian women and men going through difficult, life-saving divorces, listening with compassion to those who have suffered from domestic violence, betrayal, infidelity, addicted partners, and emotional abuse.
Herself the survivor of a toxic marriage, she walked through her own lifesaving divorce and was a single mother for many years. Today she is happily remarried. She is a graduate of Wheaton College with a degree in Bible and Christian Education.
For more information:
Website and Blog: LifeSavingDivorce.com
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/lifesavingdivorce.bsky.social
Facebook facebook.com/lifesavingdivorce
Instagram instagram.com/gretchenbaskerville
You Tube youtube.com/@lifesavingdivorce
Twitter twitter.com/GGBaskerville
What's a Life-Saving Divorce? A Life-Saving Divorce is a divorce for serious reasons: a pattern of sexual immorality, physical abuse, chronic emotional abuse, domestic violence, felony behavior, life-destroying addictions, or abandonment/neglect.
Book, "The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships"
Paperback or eBook: amzn.to/3CCBsnr AUDIOBOOK: amzn.to/4f52Mh4
As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.








![12 Surprising Insights from the Marriage Intensive Survey | Natalie Hoffman, Flying Free Podcast
There is a better version of this video at: https://youtu.be/RR4LXRswKTg?si=RGi-iWiZmFkPR6ht
Will your marriage be fixed by an in-person, multi-day, overnight marriage intensive? Is it worth the money, time and effort? Are the claims of these marriage intensives true? 330 people tell us about their marriage intensive experience.
— 03:58 LISTEN TO THE INTRO FIRST
— 12:20 Surprise #12: Some attended because it was a wholesome marriage event, but MOST attended to fix a marriage problem.
— 15:45 Surprise #11: 7 in 10 survey respondents indicated they are now separated or divorced. Another 1 in 10 plan to separate or divorce. Natalie tells her story of going to a marriage intensive that she paid for and attended with her [now ex-] husband.
— 22:35 Surprise #10: Only 24 of the 330 survey participants indicated that they were “married and happy.” And only 4 of those said their marriage intensive was “life-changing” for them.
— 28:50 Surprise #9: Half of the respondents said they attended a marriage intensive that used manipulation tactics. The other half did not mention any type of manipulation. We discuss the 7 most frequently mentioned manipulation tactics. We discuss the 3 worst marriage intensives. #WeekendToRemember
— 36:30 Surprise #8: Roughly 7 in 10 of the people who said they felt “hopeful” on the last day of the program indicated they are divorced or separated now. Even though this survey was too small to definitively measure the effectiveness of each of the top major marriage intensives, we get a hint that many of the success claims may not be true. Further studies using representative samples and more respondents need to be conducted.
— 44:13 Surprise #7: Only 2% of people whose spouse was NOT respectful when deep intimate feelings of fear and insecurity were shared are “married and happy” now. This is why couples counseling where there is abuse is considered unethical and possibly even illegal, according to the Gottman Institute.
— 47:28 Surprise #6: About 9 in 10 respondents indicated they would NOT likely recommend the marriage intensive to others, even if they liked some of the training in basic communication skills and problem-solving techniques.
— 51:25 Surprise #5: Those attending the most expensive marriage intensives had higher divorce and/or separation rates than those who paid far less. Some intensives charge $3,000-$12,000 for top experts and licensed counselors, but they still did not fix the marriage.
— 54:05 Surprise #4: People have all kinds of motivations for attending. Some just want a weekend away without the kids or dog.
— 54:25 Surprise #3: Many people mentioned that the topic of abuse was never mentioned or described. And in some intensives, abuse perpetrated in the marriage was not allowed to be discussed. People mentioned feeling unseen, unheard, and their pain and injuries were ignored. The dangers of “vow renewal ceremonies.”
— 57:15 Surprise #2: If a spouse pretended to be respectful for a short time and then went back to their usual negative or indifferent attitudes, there was a very high correlation with divorce or separation.
— 58:30 Surprise #1: Only 4 of the “married and happy” survey respondents gave the credit to the marriage intensive for a major positive change in their marriage.
How to Get the Book, The Life-Saving Divorce: Hope for People Leaving Destructive Relationships
Paperback Book/Kindle via Amazon: Paperback: https://amzn.to/3CCBsnr As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
The Bible teaches us to Run From Abusers: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/runfromabusers/
Studies that show that even though divorce is bad for kids, witnessing or experiencing abuse is up to 10 times worse: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-and-kids/
Bible verses on divorce, including passages that condone and even command divorce: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/abuse-in-bible/
Divorce as God’s Protection of Old Testament Wives: https://youtu.be/z2bAfawE-ZM?feature=shared
Divorce as God’s Protection for Women in the Bible: https://youtu.be/SJjv6eN1BDs?feature=shared
Critique of Hope Restored’s (Focus on the Family) Miracle Claims: https://youtu.be/QQlNoyLasfQ?feature=shared. Or Blog post: https://lifesavingdivorce.com/fotfevidence/
ABOUT
Gretchen Baskerville is a Christian divorce recovery leader and researcher. Since 1998, she has worked in churches in the Los Angeles area. She helps heartbroken people find strength, courage, and healing. She is a graduate of Wheaton College with a degree in Bible and Christian Education.
Website and Blog: http://www.LifeSavingDivorce.com
Twitter http://twitter.com/GGBaskerville
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/lifesavingdivorce
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/gretchenbaskerville/
You Tube https://www.youtube.com/@lifesavingdivorce
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