Uploaded July 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
A Christian caller asked me to name one "Christian moral" that's actually bad. So I showed him that the Bible treats women as property — from Exodus 20:17 to the bride price to the law that turns a rape victim into "damaged goods." He tried to hide behind his translation. Then he ran.
David couldn't answer one simple question about Luke 1: when Gabriel tells Mary "you WILL conceive," where does she get to say no?
When you follow the words instead of the Sunday-school gloss, the Old Testament's view of women gets ugly fast — and it doesn't stop being Jesus' problem just because you believe in the Trinity. If Jesus is God and God is unchanging, then Jesus is on the hook for all 613 commandments, including the ones that price a woman like livestock.
In this call, David defends biblical marriage, the bride price, and the idea that "my Bible says wife" saves the verse from meaning what the Hebrew actually says. It doesn't. We walk through Exodus 20:17 (a wife listed alongside slaves, oxen, and donkeys), the bride price, a father's power to sell a daughter, and the "damaged goods" logic behind the OT's marriage laws. Then we get to Luke 1 and the question that ended the call: where is Mary's consent?
Topics: women as property in the Bible, biblical misogyny, the bride price, Exodus 20:17, biblical marriage, the original Hebrew vs your English translation, Luke 1 and the Annunciation, the Trinity and the God of the Old Testament, and why "no true Scotsman" isn't a get-out-of-jail card for the text.
If you've ever been told the Bible "elevated" women, watch what happens when a believer has to defend the actual verses.
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Chapters
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00:00 "Name a Christian moral that's actually bad"
01:01 Is Jesus the God of the Old Testament? (Trinity → 613 laws)
02:34 The charge: the Bible treats women as property (Exodus 20:17)
03:54 "That's not misogyny, she's my wife"
04:44 KJV vs the original Hebrew — the translation dodge
05:13 The bride price: "marriage is between a man and her daddy"
06:30 "Damaged goods": the law that makes a victim property
09:59 "I can make you defend the indefensible" — the Luke 1 trap
10:34 The Annunciation: where is Mary's consent?
12:12 The hypothetical David couldn't answer
13:51 The Romans pivot — and why it fails
15:03 "No true Scotsman" — a fallacy he can't name
16:52 The Christian runs
17:12 Debrief: "I turned him into an apologist for the indefensible"
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A Christian caller asked me to name one "Christian moral" that's actually bad. So I showed him that the Bible treats women as property — from Exodus 20:17 to the bride price to the law that turns a rape victim into "damaged goods." He tried to hide behind his translation. Then he ran.
David couldn't answer one simple question about Luke 1: when Gabriel tells Mary "you WILL conceive," where does she get to say no?
When you follow the words instead of the Sunday-school gloss, the Old Testament's view of women gets ugly fast — and it doesn't stop being Jesus' problem just because you believe in the Trinity. If Jesus is God and God is unchanging, then Jesus is on the hook for all 613 commandments, including the ones that price a woman like livestock.
In this call, David defends biblical marriage, the bride price, and the idea that "my Bible says wife" saves the verse from meaning what the Hebrew actually says. It doesn't. We walk through Exodus 20:17 (a wife listed alongside slaves, oxen, and donkeys), the bride price, a father's power to sell a daughter, and the "damaged goods" logic behind the OT's marriage laws. Then we get to Luke 1 and the question that ended the call: where is Mary's consent?
Topics: women as property in the Bible, biblical misogyny, the bride price, Exodus 20:17, biblical marriage, the original Hebrew vs your English translation, Luke 1 and the Annunciation, the Trinity and the God of the Old Testament, and why "no true Scotsman" isn't a get-out-of-jail card for the text.
If you've ever been told the Bible "elevated" women, watch what happens when a believer has to defend the actual verses.
Get Tickets to Seth and Noah LIVE: ge.hopp.to/SethAndNoahLIVE
Chapters
========================================================
00:00 "Name a Christian moral that's actually bad"
01:01 Is Jesus the God of the Old Testament? (Trinity → 613 laws)
02:34 The charge: the Bible treats women as property (Exodus 20:17)
03:54 "That's not misogyny, she's my wife"
04:44 KJV vs the original Hebrew — the translation dodge
05:13 The bride price: "marriage is between a man and her daddy"
06:30 "Damaged goods": the law that makes a victim property
09:59 "I can make you defend the indefensible" — the Luke 1 trap
10:34 The Annunciation: where is Mary's consent?
12:12 The hypothetical David couldn't answer
13:51 The Romans pivot — and why it fails
15:03 "No true Scotsman" — a fallacy he can't name
16:52 The Christian runs
17:12 Debrief: "I turned him into an apologist for the indefensible"
Get Jesus From Outerspace Audio Book: amzn.to/3EGj5Vb
Daily Bible Podcast: ge.hopp.to/DailyBiblePodcast
#atheism #christianity #atheist
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Join the Skeptic Mafia: ge.hopp.to/JoinSkepticMafia
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Get the Tariff shirt: ge.hopp.to/DefineTariffTShirt
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Download CHRESTUS: ge.hopp.to/CHRESTUS
Get your "Citation Fucking Needed" Shirt: ge.hopp.to/citationfuckingneeded
"got evidence?" shirt: ge.hopp.to/GotEvidenceShirt
"btw, evolution is a fact" shirt: ge.hopp.to/BTWEvolutionIsAFact
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