Brad on Measurement, Part 2: Seeing Through the Lens of Agape to be Shaped by Reality @TheMeaningCode

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Brad and Karen continue the discussion on Measurement and its implications. We discuss the aspect of comparison, relationships between binaries, Iain McGilchrist's work on the two brain hemispheres, the role of the observer, etc. Link to Part 1 follows the timestamps.

Timestamps

00:00:00 Intro
00:01:15 Navigating between two binaries, example: justice and mercy
00:02:50 Migraines that shut down the left hemisphere, comprehending and apprehending
00:08:30 Training horses, the blessing of anomaly, learning to listen with the right hemisphere
00:10:00 Left hemisphere gives us speech, so a truth, once spoken, becomes a lie.
00:11:20 Finding practical meaning in this little corner
00:12:37 Comparing wavelengths, frequencies is what we do, a kind of measurement, at multiple levels and over time.

00:14:30 The observer changing what is observed. The feedback loop.
00:16:30 Hiking in the Maui Rainforest is contact with reality.
00:20:30 Thoughts on the measurement problem and its practical implications
00:23:00 We are also being observed, always. We shape the arena, the arena shapes us.
00:31:00 The incarnation of Christ in us, the triad of Love (intention, communication and action)
00:40:30 Having a question and balancing that with living real life
00:50:28 Was Eve trying to become the Observer? Things have to measure up to my expectations. Unravels the web of Love.
00:59:20 Action as the missing piece
01:06:30 The perils of providing good content
01:14:15 We are comparing frequencies or wavelengths related to context in art
01:23:00 Agape and action
01:24:20 Loving

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youtu.be/iT43zHL2Xp8

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