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Civil war might be the most likely escalation pathway towards disaster for our country. On the flip side, learning how to avoid civil conflict — and more ambitiously, repair our civic fabric — might have the greatest leverage for addressing the challenges we face.
Our guest Barbara F. Walter is one of the world's leading experts on civil wars, political violence, and terrorism. She’s the author of How Civil Wars Start: And How To Stop Them, which provides insight into the drivers of civil war, how social media fuels conflict, and how we might repair our broken democracies.
Together, we explore what makes for a healthy liberal democracy, why democracies worldwide are in decline, and the role of resentment and hope. Join us in an exploration of the generator functions for civil war in the digital age, and how we might prevent them.
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How Civil Wars Start: And How To Stop Them (amazon.com/How-Civil-Wars-Start-Stop/dp/0593137787)
Barbara F. Walter’s latest book and the subject of our conversation, identifying the conditions that give rise to modern civil war in order to address them
Political Violence At A Glance (politicalviolenceataglance.org/)
An award-winning online magazine about the causes and consequences of violence and protest, co-authored by Barbara and other experts
The Center for Systemic Peace (systemicpeace.org/)
Publications, analysis, and other resources from the organizations that measures for democracies and anocracies on a 21-point scale
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A Conversation with Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen: humanetech.com/podcast/42-a-conversation-with-facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen
The Courage to Connect. Guests: Ciaran O’Connor and John Wood, Jr.: humanetech.com/podcast/30-the-courage-to-connect
Mind the (Perception) Gap with Dan Vallone: humanetech.com/podcast/33-mind-the-perception-gap
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology (humanetech.com/) . Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_ (twitter.com/humanetech_)
Civil war might be the most likely escalation pathway towards disaster for our country. On the flip side, learning how to avoid civil conflict — and more ambitiously, repair our civic fabric — might have the greatest leverage for addressing the challenges we face.
Our guest Barbara F. Walter is one of the world's leading experts on civil wars, political violence, and terrorism. She’s the author of How Civil Wars Start: And How To Stop Them, which provides insight into the drivers of civil war, how social media fuels conflict, and how we might repair our broken democracies.
Together, we explore what makes for a healthy liberal democracy, why democracies worldwide are in decline, and the role of resentment and hope. Join us in an exploration of the generator functions for civil war in the digital age, and how we might prevent them.
RECOMMENDED MEDIA
How Civil Wars Start: And How To Stop Them (amazon.com/How-Civil-Wars-Start-Stop/dp/0593137787)
Barbara F. Walter’s latest book and the subject of our conversation, identifying the conditions that give rise to modern civil war in order to address them
Political Violence At A Glance (politicalviolenceataglance.org/)
An award-winning online magazine about the causes and consequences of violence and protest, co-authored by Barbara and other experts
The Center for Systemic Peace (systemicpeace.org/)
Publications, analysis, and other resources from the organizations that measures for democracies and anocracies on a 21-point scale
RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES
A Conversation with Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen: humanetech.com/podcast/42-a-conversation-with-facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen
The Courage to Connect. Guests: Ciaran O’Connor and John Wood, Jr.: humanetech.com/podcast/30-the-courage-to-connect
Mind the (Perception) Gap with Dan Vallone: humanetech.com/podcast/33-mind-the-perception-gap
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology (humanetech.com/) . Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_ (twitter.com/humanetech_)







![Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy (rerun)
[This episode originally aired on August 17, 2023] For all the talk about AI, we rarely hear about how it will change our relationships. As we swipe to find love and consult chatbot therapists, acclaimed psychotherapist and relationship expert Esther Perel warns that there’s another harmful “AI” on the rise — Artificial Intimacy — and how it is depriving us of real connection. Tristan and Esther discuss how depending on algorithms can fuel alienation, and then imagine how we might design technology to strengthen our social bonds.
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Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel (https://www.estherperel.com/books)
Esthers debut work on the intricacies behind modern relationships, and the dichotomy of domesticity and sexual desire
The State of Affairs by Esther Perel (https://www.estherperel.com/books)
Esther takes a look at modern relationships through the lens of infidelity
Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel (https://www.estherperel.com/podcast)
Listen in as real couples in search of help bare the raw and profound details of their stories
How’s Work? with Esther Perel (https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/hows-work-with-esther-perel/id1497580407)
Esther’s podcast that focuses on the hard conversations were afraid to have at work
Lars and the Real Girl (2007) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/)
A young man strikes up an unconventional relationship with a doll he finds on the internet
Her (2013) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/)
In a near future, a lonely writer develops an unlikely relationship with an operating system designed to meet his every need
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The AI Dilemma (https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-ai-dilemma)
The Three Rules of Humane Tech (https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-three-rules-of-humane-tech)
Digital Democracy is Within Reach with Audrey Tang (https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/23-digital-democracy-is-within-reach)
CORRECTION: Esther refers to the 2007 film Lars and the Real Doll. The title of the film is Lars and the Real Girl.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology (https://www.humanetech.com/) . Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_ (https://twitter.com/humanetech_) Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy (rerun)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/plkTbnN1GUY/mqdefault.jpg)


