Uploaded April 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
In order to shift the incentives of AI — the trillions of dollars in investment, the race to geopolitical power and dominance — it’s not enough to simply understand the problem, we need real action.
That’s why CHT is proud to release "The AI Roadmap," a report outlining seven core principles for how AI should be built, deployed, and governed, each grounded in real, implementable solutions across three domains: norms, laws, and product design.
In this episode, Camille Carlton and Pete Furlong from CHT’s policy team explore the concrete steps we can take today to get off the default path and forge a better AI future. You can read “The AI Roadmap” on our website: humanetech.com/ai-roadmap
CLARIFICATIONS
In this episode, Tristan includes Spain in a list of countries that are all banning social media for underage teens. The Spanish law that would do this still needs parliamentary approval.
At one point, Tristan says, “We now have age gating in every Apple device.” Although Apple has the capability to introduce age restrictions across its devices, such restrictions are only in place for residents of Louisiana, Utah, and several other countries to comply with local laws - not across the rest of the U.S.
In a discussion of whistleblower protections, Pete Furlong mentions laws in New York, California and Colorado that all try to address the broader issues around transparency (of which whistleblower protections are a piece). The laws are CA SB53, which has whistleblower protections; the RAISE Act in NY, which was amended to include the same provisions as CA SB53; and the Colorado AI Act, which does not have whistleblower protections, but does require risk assessments and transparency measures, consistent with the other parts of the principle.
At one point Tristan discusses the recent skirmish between Anthropic and the U.S. Department of War, saying, “Anthropic’s downloads surges by like 250% or something like that.” It was actually daily active users, not downloads, which tripled in the first quarter of 2026, according to the company. The number of paid subscribers doubled.
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In order to shift the incentives of AI — the trillions of dollars in investment, the race to geopolitical power and dominance — it’s not enough to simply understand the problem, we need real action.
That’s why CHT is proud to release "The AI Roadmap," a report outlining seven core principles for how AI should be built, deployed, and governed, each grounded in real, implementable solutions across three domains: norms, laws, and product design.
In this episode, Camille Carlton and Pete Furlong from CHT’s policy team explore the concrete steps we can take today to get off the default path and forge a better AI future. You can read “The AI Roadmap” on our website: humanetech.com/ai-roadmap
CLARIFICATIONS
In this episode, Tristan includes Spain in a list of countries that are all banning social media for underage teens. The Spanish law that would do this still needs parliamentary approval.
At one point, Tristan says, “We now have age gating in every Apple device.” Although Apple has the capability to introduce age restrictions across its devices, such restrictions are only in place for residents of Louisiana, Utah, and several other countries to comply with local laws - not across the rest of the U.S.
In a discussion of whistleblower protections, Pete Furlong mentions laws in New York, California and Colorado that all try to address the broader issues around transparency (of which whistleblower protections are a piece). The laws are CA SB53, which has whistleblower protections; the RAISE Act in NY, which was amended to include the same provisions as CA SB53; and the Colorado AI Act, which does not have whistleblower protections, but does require risk assessments and transparency measures, consistent with the other parts of the principle.
At one point Tristan discusses the recent skirmish between Anthropic and the U.S. Department of War, saying, “Anthropic’s downloads surges by like 250% or something like that.” It was actually daily active users, not downloads, which tripled in the first quarter of 2026, according to the company. The number of paid subscribers doubled.
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Subscribe to our Substack centerforhumanetechnology.substack.com





![Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy (rerun)
[This episode originally aired on August 17, 2023] For all the talk about AI, we rarely hear about how it will change our relationships. As we swipe to find love and consult chatbot therapists, acclaimed psychotherapist and relationship expert Esther Perel warns that there’s another harmful “AI” on the rise — Artificial Intimacy — and how it is depriving us of real connection. Tristan and Esther discuss how depending on algorithms can fuel alienation, and then imagine how we might design technology to strengthen our social bonds.
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Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel (https://www.estherperel.com/books)
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The State of Affairs by Esther Perel (https://www.estherperel.com/books)
Esther takes a look at modern relationships through the lens of infidelity
Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel (https://www.estherperel.com/podcast)
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How’s Work? with Esther Perel (https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/hows-work-with-esther-perel/id1497580407)
Esther’s podcast that focuses on the hard conversations were afraid to have at work
Lars and the Real Girl (2007) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/)
A young man strikes up an unconventional relationship with a doll he finds on the internet
Her (2013) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/)
In a near future, a lonely writer develops an unlikely relationship with an operating system designed to meet his every need
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Big Food, Big Tech and Big AI with Michael Moss (https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/big-food-big-tech-and-big-ai-with-michael-moss)
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The Three Rules of Humane Tech (https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/the-three-rules-of-humane-tech)
Digital Democracy is Within Reach with Audrey Tang (https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/23-digital-democracy-is-within-reach)
CORRECTION: Esther refers to the 2007 film Lars and the Real Doll. The title of the film is Lars and the Real Girl.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology (https://www.humanetech.com/) . Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_ (https://twitter.com/humanetech_) Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy (rerun)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/plkTbnN1GUY/mqdefault.jpg)




