Uploaded March 2025 | Updated September 2026, 4 hours ago
For countless CHEK Institute students and podcast listeners, their first exposure to vaporizing has come from Paul sharing his spiritual practices with plants and herbs.
Knowing that good vaporizing starts and ends with the right plant and herb blends grown organically and made with love and respect for nature, what’s Paul’s go-to source to formulate the perfect Volcano?
Kacie Kinzer and Tom Gerhardt describe their process for creating amazing, organically-produced herbs through their Austin-based company, Overblown, and share how Paul inspired them to follow this path, this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Kacie and Tom at Thunder Kite Studio at thunderkitestudio.com
For Spirit Gym listeners: Interested in trying Overblown blends? Tom and Kacie are offering Spirit Gym listeners 15 percent off on their first order of herbs ( overblown.co/collections/herbs ) and tools ( overblown.co/collections/tools ). Check out the herbal blends and tools at Overblown at overblown.co and use the promo code spiritgym15 when you check out. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)
0:00 Intro
6:14 Kacie’s family was blessed with many spiritual gifts, including hypnotism (a talent that came in handy for coaching basketball players).
18:21 Do you and your partner speak the same language?
24:35 “I’ve probably turned more people onto vaporizing than anybody in the world.”
29:43 The parallels between vaporizing and making cocktails.
38:00 A trick about vaporizing Paul learned from Mimi Lindquist and Chase Ramey.
48:10 “Traditionally, smoke is such a powerful alchemical tool.”
52:24 Paul’s ayahuasca experience that blew his mind.
1:01:01 Could smoking cigarettes resemble breath work?
1:05:55 Drink plenty of water while vaporizing herbs.
1:10:47 Kacie’s journey to craft herbal blends that work like “vessels of spirit” and how to use them.
1:26:43 NEVER MIX ayahuasca with LSD.
1:32:41 Why it’s important to use specific herbal blends for specific experiences.
1:41:09 An herbal blend that enhances intimacy.
1:53:10 After tons of research and spreadsheets, Kacie turns to intention, intuition, love and ceremony to formulate her herbal blends.
1:56:05 A huge portal of initiation.
2:03:52 How Paul talks to plants.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Kacie Kinzer and Tom Gerhardt and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/episode-337-kacie-kinzer-and-tom-gerhardt-vaporizing-nature-for-well-being
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• CHEK Academy https://chek.group/l4dacademy (sign up for the spring session of the CHEK Academy by March 31!)
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears at braveasbears.bandcamp.com
All Rights Reserved MusicFit Records 2024 at musicfitrecords.com
For countless CHEK Institute students and podcast listeners, their first exposure to vaporizing has come from Paul sharing his spiritual practices with plants and herbs.
Knowing that good vaporizing starts and ends with the right plant and herb blends grown organically and made with love and respect for nature, what’s Paul’s go-to source to formulate the perfect Volcano?
Kacie Kinzer and Tom Gerhardt describe their process for creating amazing, organically-produced herbs through their Austin-based company, Overblown, and share how Paul inspired them to follow this path, this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Kacie and Tom at Thunder Kite Studio at thunderkitestudio.com
For Spirit Gym listeners: Interested in trying Overblown blends? Tom and Kacie are offering Spirit Gym listeners 15 percent off on their first order of herbs ( overblown.co/collections/herbs ) and tools ( overblown.co/collections/tools ). Check out the herbal blends and tools at Overblown at overblown.co and use the promo code spiritgym15 when you check out. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)
0:00 Intro
6:14 Kacie’s family was blessed with many spiritual gifts, including hypnotism (a talent that came in handy for coaching basketball players).
18:21 Do you and your partner speak the same language?
24:35 “I’ve probably turned more people onto vaporizing than anybody in the world.”
29:43 The parallels between vaporizing and making cocktails.
38:00 A trick about vaporizing Paul learned from Mimi Lindquist and Chase Ramey.
48:10 “Traditionally, smoke is such a powerful alchemical tool.”
52:24 Paul’s ayahuasca experience that blew his mind.
1:01:01 Could smoking cigarettes resemble breath work?
1:05:55 Drink plenty of water while vaporizing herbs.
1:10:47 Kacie’s journey to craft herbal blends that work like “vessels of spirit” and how to use them.
1:26:43 NEVER MIX ayahuasca with LSD.
1:32:41 Why it’s important to use specific herbal blends for specific experiences.
1:41:09 An herbal blend that enhances intimacy.
1:53:10 After tons of research and spreadsheets, Kacie turns to intention, intuition, love and ceremony to formulate her herbal blends.
1:56:05 A huge portal of initiation.
2:03:52 How Paul talks to plants.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Kacie Kinzer and Tom Gerhardt and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/episode-337-kacie-kinzer-and-tom-gerhardt-vaporizing-nature-for-well-being
Thanks to our awesome sponsors!
• BiOptimizers bioptimizers.com/living4d (save an extra 10% on your purchase by using the code PAUL10 at checkout)
• Organifi organifi.com/chek20 (save 20% on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout)
• CHEK Academy https://chek.group/l4dacademy (sign up for the spring session of the CHEK Academy by March 31!)
• Wild Pastures wildpastures.com/paulchek (save 20% and free shipping for life plus $15 on your first order)
• Paleovalley paleovalley.com/chek15 (save 15% on your first purchase)
We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears at braveasbears.bandcamp.com
All Rights Reserved MusicFit Records 2024 at musicfitrecords.com
