Uploaded February 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Most supply chains don’t fail because of shocks.
They fail because excess sits untouched until it becomes a problem.
Surplus inventory, idle equipment, empty warehouses. These aren’t edge cases. They’re the predictable by-products of forecasting, growth bets, and uncertainty. What’s rarely discussed is how quickly excess turns into financial drag, sustainability risk, and bad decisions when organisations freeze.
My guest is Gordon Zellner, CEO and founder of Evergreen Trading. Gordon operates at the intersection of supply chain, finance, and media procurement, helping companies convert excess assets into usable capital rather than writing them off or sending them to landfill. His work spans consumer goods, telecoms, retail, real estate, and yes, occasionally corporate jets.
This matters now because volatility has become structural. Cost pressure, climate scrutiny, capital discipline, and regulatory exposure are converging at the same time. Holding surplus “just in case” quietly erodes resilience. Disposing of it badly creates reputational and sustainability risk. Doing nothing is often the most expensive option.
Several moments in this discussion changed how I think about excess. One was the idea of corporate paralysis in uncertain periods, where organisations delay decisions until value has already decayed. Another was reframing media not as a marketing line item, but as a procurement category and financial instrument that can close valuation gaps. And the biggest shift was Gordon’s distinction between vertical thinking and horizontal thinking, solving excess within silos versus rerouting value across the organisation.
This episode is for supply chain, procurement, operations, finance, and sustainability leaders dealing with surplus, write-offs, stranded assets, or pressure to “do the right thing” without blowing the budget.
If you’re handling this in the real world, I’d like to hear how you’re approaching it.
🔗 Podcast site: resilientsupplychainpodcast.com
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⏱️ Chapters below for direct access to key decisions and failure points
2️⃣ 💡 Chapters / Timestamps
00:00 – When “excess” shows up as three corporate jets
00:01 – Why all supply chains inevitably create surplus
00:04 – The real cost of waiting for markets to recover
00:06 – When sustainability defaults to landfill
00:09 – Why uncertainty causes corporate paralysis
00:10 – Media as a procurement category, not marketing spend
00:12 – Buying media futures to close value gaps
00:16 – What happens when excess is genuinely unusual
00:19 – Limited-time offers, bad forecasts, and baked-in surplus
00:22 – Measuring success beyond one-off transactions
00:26 – Vertical vs horizontal problem-solving
00:29 – Why doing something different is the only option
Most supply chains don’t fail because of shocks.
They fail because excess sits untouched until it becomes a problem.
Surplus inventory, idle equipment, empty warehouses. These aren’t edge cases. They’re the predictable by-products of forecasting, growth bets, and uncertainty. What’s rarely discussed is how quickly excess turns into financial drag, sustainability risk, and bad decisions when organisations freeze.
My guest is Gordon Zellner, CEO and founder of Evergreen Trading. Gordon operates at the intersection of supply chain, finance, and media procurement, helping companies convert excess assets into usable capital rather than writing them off or sending them to landfill. His work spans consumer goods, telecoms, retail, real estate, and yes, occasionally corporate jets.
This matters now because volatility has become structural. Cost pressure, climate scrutiny, capital discipline, and regulatory exposure are converging at the same time. Holding surplus “just in case” quietly erodes resilience. Disposing of it badly creates reputational and sustainability risk. Doing nothing is often the most expensive option.
Several moments in this discussion changed how I think about excess. One was the idea of corporate paralysis in uncertain periods, where organisations delay decisions until value has already decayed. Another was reframing media not as a marketing line item, but as a procurement category and financial instrument that can close valuation gaps. And the biggest shift was Gordon’s distinction between vertical thinking and horizontal thinking, solving excess within silos versus rerouting value across the organisation.
This episode is for supply chain, procurement, operations, finance, and sustainability leaders dealing with surplus, write-offs, stranded assets, or pressure to “do the right thing” without blowing the budget.
If you’re handling this in the real world, I’d like to hear how you’re approaching it.
🔗 Podcast site: resilientsupplychainpodcast.com
🔔 Subscribe for weekly conversations on resilience, risk, and decision-making
⏱️ Chapters below for direct access to key decisions and failure points
2️⃣ 💡 Chapters / Timestamps
00:00 – When “excess” shows up as three corporate jets
00:01 – Why all supply chains inevitably create surplus
00:04 – The real cost of waiting for markets to recover
00:06 – When sustainability defaults to landfill
00:09 – Why uncertainty causes corporate paralysis
00:10 – Media as a procurement category, not marketing spend
00:12 – Buying media futures to close value gaps
00:16 – What happens when excess is genuinely unusual
00:19 – Limited-time offers, bad forecasts, and baked-in surplus
00:22 – Measuring success beyond one-off transactions
00:26 – Vertical vs horizontal problem-solving
00:29 – Why doing something different is the only option









![Soil Is Becoming Climate Infrastructure, Finance Is Noticing
Soil is starting to look less like an environmental side issue — and more like infrastructure.
The bigger question is what happens when finance, water risk and farm economics all meet in the same acre.
My guest is Tim Weaver of Holganix, working at the intersection of soil health, regenerative agriculture and measurable environmental outcomes. We look at what healthier soil can mean for fertiliser dependence, water resilience, farm economics, carbon claims and food supply chains.
That matters because regenerative agriculture still carries a stubborn assumption: that farmers must accept years of lower profitability before the benefits arrive. At the same time, companies need more credible evidence around carbon, water and supply-chain resilience — while farmers operate on seasonal cash-flow cycles, not ten-year climate roadmaps.
What changed my thinking was how quickly the conversation moved beyond carbon. Tim argues that better measurement — soil cores, probes, farm equipment data and satellite imagery — is making soil outcomes more credible. But measurement creates another problem: scale. AI may eventually reduce some of that cost, but without enough reliable underlying data it has little to work with.
Then there is water. Tim’s argument is that water retention, runoff and resilience may ultimately matter more to many businesses than carbon alone. When those risks begin touching insurance, cost of capital and food security, soil stops looking like a niche sustainability issue and starts looking more like operating infrastructure.
The other corrective is economic. Tim challenges the idea that regenerative agriculture necessarily requires a five-to-seven-year profitability dip, pointing instead to lower input costs, reduced tillage and stronger farm economics as possible early benefits.
This is not a silver-bullet conversation. It is about measurement, incentives, farmer behaviour and whether regenerative practices can scale on business timelines.
If you work in climate, food, agriculture, sustainable finance, supply chains or investment, this episode offers a sharper way to think about soil as a business and resilience issue.
If you’re working on regenerative agriculture, soil carbon or water risk, I’d be interested in your perspective.
Podcast website: [insert podcast website]
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Soil Moneyball Tease
00:41 Welcome And Guest Intro
01:25 What Holganix Does
02:19 Tim’s Path To Soil
04:34 Why Soil Is Surging
05:43 Fertiliser Shock Economics
08:38 What Healthy Soil Changes
09:52 Water Resilience Benefits
12:31 Trust And Carbon Claims
14:37 MRV Methods Explained
17:06 Scaling Measurement With AI
20:23 Adoption And Awareness Gap
24:22 Misconceptions And ROI
26:41 Next Decade Drivers
29:59 Grower Adoption Flywheel
31:54 Lightning Round
33:08 Where To Learn More
34:10 Finance And Soil Future
35:24 Wildcard Champion Pick
36:36 Closing Thoughts And Wrap Soil Is Becoming Climate Infrastructure, Finance Is Noticing](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mYEo55F1qCM/mqdefault.jpg)
