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trinities.org/blog/podcast-337-chris-dates-search-for-a-viable-trinity-theory-part-2 In this episode, apologist Chris Date continues to develop his Trinity theory we heard the roots of last time, and also adds in a new, similar but different theory.
Starting from ideas in a Psychology article, and adding some reflections based on his favorite first-person shooter video game, Chris Date suggests that one being/substance might well have three “subjectivities” or points of view. This is supposed to give us an idea of “Persons” which are not beings, but rather attributes of beings (or of their experiences).
But in principle, could such “Persons” (which are attributes/properties/features) do what the New Testament says that the Father and the Son do? I urge not – that’s the gist of my objections to his first Trinity theory here.
On his second Trinity theory – quickly expounded towards the end of his episode, each “Person” of the Trinity is a self. But the problem now is that they will be the same self. And so similarly, this second theory clashes with the New Testament too, ruling out the interpersonal (self to another self) relationship we see there between God and his human Son.
Towards the end, I explain why I genuinely appreciate what Chris Date is doing, and why I think he should keep going in his quest for a viable Trinity theory.
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/blog/podcast-337-chris-dates-search-for-a-viable-trinity-theory-part-2
Chris Date @ Academia.edu
The Unitarian Christian Alliance Podcast
UCA Podcast #36 – The 1st UCA Conference – Stacey Berger
UCA Podcast #38 (link coming)
podcast 336 – Chris Date’s Search for a Viable Trinity Theory – Part 1
Theopologetics 028: Can an Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity Be Logically Coherent?
Wozniak, ““I” and “Me”: The Self in the Context of Consciousness”
Zagzebski, “Omnisubjectivity“
Mullins, “The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity“
Divine Simplicity Q&A w/ William Lane Craig + Ryan Mullins
Why Would Someone Hold to Divine Simplicity? (w/ Ryan Mullins)
Mullins, “Divine Simplicity and Modal Collapse: A Persistent Problem“
Does the Trinity Contradict with Classical Theism? (w/ Ryan Mullins)
DEBATE: Trinity vs. Tawheed (Dr. James White vs. Jake Brancatella)
podcast 302 – The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
podcast 334 – “Who do you say I am?”
podcast 260 – How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian
The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale’s opening statement
How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
This week’s thinking music is the track “Arpanauts” by Eric Skiff.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is the track "Arpanauts" by Eric Skiff. freemusicarchive.org/music/Eric_Skiff/Resistor_Anthems/eric_skiff_-_10_-_arpanauts
trinities.org/blog/podcast-337-chris-dates-search-for-a-viable-trinity-theory-part-2 In this episode, apologist Chris Date continues to develop his Trinity theory we heard the roots of last time, and also adds in a new, similar but different theory.
Starting from ideas in a Psychology article, and adding some reflections based on his favorite first-person shooter video game, Chris Date suggests that one being/substance might well have three “subjectivities” or points of view. This is supposed to give us an idea of “Persons” which are not beings, but rather attributes of beings (or of their experiences).
But in principle, could such “Persons” (which are attributes/properties/features) do what the New Testament says that the Father and the Son do? I urge not – that’s the gist of my objections to his first Trinity theory here.
On his second Trinity theory – quickly expounded towards the end of his episode, each “Person” of the Trinity is a self. But the problem now is that they will be the same self. And so similarly, this second theory clashes with the New Testament too, ruling out the interpersonal (self to another self) relationship we see there between God and his human Son.
Towards the end, I explain why I genuinely appreciate what Chris Date is doing, and why I think he should keep going in his quest for a viable Trinity theory.
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/blog/podcast-337-chris-dates-search-for-a-viable-trinity-theory-part-2
Chris Date @ Academia.edu
The Unitarian Christian Alliance Podcast
UCA Podcast #36 – The 1st UCA Conference – Stacey Berger
UCA Podcast #38 (link coming)
podcast 336 – Chris Date’s Search for a Viable Trinity Theory – Part 1
Theopologetics 028: Can an Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity Be Logically Coherent?
Wozniak, ““I” and “Me”: The Self in the Context of Consciousness”
Zagzebski, “Omnisubjectivity“
Mullins, “The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity“
Divine Simplicity Q&A w/ William Lane Craig + Ryan Mullins
Why Would Someone Hold to Divine Simplicity? (w/ Ryan Mullins)
Mullins, “Divine Simplicity and Modal Collapse: A Persistent Problem“
Does the Trinity Contradict with Classical Theism? (w/ Ryan Mullins)
DEBATE: Trinity vs. Tawheed (Dr. James White vs. Jake Brancatella)
podcast 302 – The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
podcast 334 – “Who do you say I am?”
podcast 260 – How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian
The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale’s opening statement
How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
This week’s thinking music is the track “Arpanauts” by Eric Skiff.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is the track "Arpanauts" by Eric Skiff. freemusicarchive.org/music/Eric_Skiff/Resistor_Anthems/eric_skiff_-_10_-_arpanauts
