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trinities.org/blog/podcast-323-did-god-die-on-the-cross In this episode I interact with an episode of the Church Grammar podcast by Baptist theologian Dr. Brandon Smith called “Did God Die on the Cross?“
Dr. Smith’s answer is: yes, “God” (i.e. the eternal, divine Son) did die on the cross.
My answer is: no, it was not God but rather God’s human Son who died on the cross, and a fully divine Person can’t in any way die.
It’s a contrast of two ways to approach New Testament doctrine: coming to it with the full arsenal of catholic commitments from the first four “ecumenical” councils vs. trying to let New Testament teaching stand on its own, with no help from Incarnation and Trinity speculations, focusing on its clear claims, and carefully using some conceptual analysis.
Topics include:
what the New Testament actually says about the one who died for us on the cross
the standard catholic view that the one self in the incarnate Christ is the divine one, the “complete human nature” there being “anhypostatic”
our common concept of death and how this relates to the idea of ceasing to exist
modern “kenosis” speculations about incarnation
the alleged essential divine attributes of immutability, necessity, and immortality
two understandings of “the immortality of the soul” and which is common to most Christian traditions
how standard catholic views seem to imply that Jesus’s crucifixion did not involve a human death
Why Dr. Smith thinks that if the Son died this amounts to God himself dying.
Did a fully divine Person die on the cross, or was it a very special man? Let us know what you think in a comment below or in the podcast’s Facebook group.
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/blog/podcast-323-did-god-die-on-the-cross
Dr. Brandon Smith, his Church Grammar podcast, “Did God Die on the Cross?“, “Did God Die on the Cross?: The Trinity and the Crucifixion”
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
Romans 5:1-11; 1 Timothy 6:13-16; Psalm 22; Luke 23:46; Matthew 27:46; John 3:16.
What is Modalism?
Clarifying Catholic Christologies
podcast 143 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 1
podcast 144 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 2
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
podcast 146 – Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament
Debate – “Is Jesus Human and not Divine?” – Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date
Is Jesus Human and not Divine?
one-self Trinity theories
This week’s thinking music is “Alive (Doing It Right) [Instrumental]” by Mise Darling.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Alive (Doing It Right) [Instrumental]" by Mise Darling. freemusicarchive.org/music/Mise/Alive_Doing_It_Right/MISE_-_Alive_Doing_It_Right_-_Single_-_02_Alive_Doing_It_Right_-Instrumental-
trinities.org/blog/podcast-323-did-god-die-on-the-cross In this episode I interact with an episode of the Church Grammar podcast by Baptist theologian Dr. Brandon Smith called “Did God Die on the Cross?“
Dr. Smith’s answer is: yes, “God” (i.e. the eternal, divine Son) did die on the cross.
My answer is: no, it was not God but rather God’s human Son who died on the cross, and a fully divine Person can’t in any way die.
It’s a contrast of two ways to approach New Testament doctrine: coming to it with the full arsenal of catholic commitments from the first four “ecumenical” councils vs. trying to let New Testament teaching stand on its own, with no help from Incarnation and Trinity speculations, focusing on its clear claims, and carefully using some conceptual analysis.
Topics include:
what the New Testament actually says about the one who died for us on the cross
the standard catholic view that the one self in the incarnate Christ is the divine one, the “complete human nature” there being “anhypostatic”
our common concept of death and how this relates to the idea of ceasing to exist
modern “kenosis” speculations about incarnation
the alleged essential divine attributes of immutability, necessity, and immortality
two understandings of “the immortality of the soul” and which is common to most Christian traditions
how standard catholic views seem to imply that Jesus’s crucifixion did not involve a human death
Why Dr. Smith thinks that if the Son died this amounts to God himself dying.
Did a fully divine Person die on the cross, or was it a very special man? Let us know what you think in a comment below or in the podcast’s Facebook group.
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/blog/podcast-323-did-god-die-on-the-cross
Dr. Brandon Smith, his Church Grammar podcast, “Did God Die on the Cross?“, “Did God Die on the Cross?: The Trinity and the Crucifixion”
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
Romans 5:1-11; 1 Timothy 6:13-16; Psalm 22; Luke 23:46; Matthew 27:46; John 3:16.
What is Modalism?
Clarifying Catholic Christologies
podcast 143 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 1
podcast 144 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 2
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
podcast 146 – Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament
Debate – “Is Jesus Human and not Divine?” – Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date
Is Jesus Human and not Divine?
one-self Trinity theories
This week’s thinking music is “Alive (Doing It Right) [Instrumental]” by Mise Darling.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Alive (Doing It Right) [Instrumental]" by Mise Darling. freemusicarchive.org/music/Mise/Alive_Doing_It_Right/MISE_-_Alive_Doing_It_Right_-_Single_-_02_Alive_Doing_It_Right_-Instrumental-
