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trinities.org/blog/podcast-229-buzzard-and-hurtado-on-god-and-jesus-part-2 In this second part of their conversation (Part 1 here), Mr. Buzzard and Dr. Hurtado focus on how New Testament authors apply what were originally texts about Yahweh to Jesus.
What is the significance of this? Is this how they tell us, indirectly, that Jesus is Yahweh himself? Or is something else going on?
They also discuss Dr. Hurtado’s ideas that the NT shows a dyadic worship pattern, a triadic structure of God-talk, and that its authors enfranchise Jesus within biblical discourse about Yahweh.
As before, I comment here and there. Towards the end, I wonder what Dr. Hurtado thinks about this argument (discussed here, here, and here).
God and Jesus differ.
Things which differ are two (i.e. are not numerically identical)
Therefore, God and Jesus are two (not numerically identical). (1, 2)
For any x and y, x and y are the same god only if x and y are not two (i.e. are numerically identical).
Therefore, God and Jesus are not the same god. (3,4)
There is only one god.
Therefore, either God is not a god, or Jesus is not a god. (5, 6)
God is a god.
Therefore, Jesus is not a god. (7,8)
I believe that Sir Anthony would accept the argument as sound. It seems to me that he and Dr. Hurtado should agree that 1-3 is sound. Does Dr. Hurtado also accept 4, 6, and 8? If so, he would be committed to the truth of 9.
Links for this episode:
Anthony Buzzard hosts Dr. Larry Hurtado: God, Jesus & the Trinity
Restoration Fellowship YouTube channel
podcast 45 – Sir Anthony Buzzard on Christian mistakes
podcast 44 – The Spiritual Journey of Sir Anthony Buzzard
podcast 194 – God: One Person or Three? Sanders vs. Buzzard debate
Larry Hurtado’s blog
podcast 150 – Dr. Larry Hurtado’s Destroyer of the gods – Part 2
podcast 149 – Dr. Larry Hurtado’s Destroyer of the gods – Part 1
podcast 100 – Dr. Larry Hurtado on God in New Testament Theology
podcast 99 – Dr. Larry Hurtado on early high christology
Tertullian the unitarian
The God of Jesus in Light of Christian Dogma
Buried Deep
the concept of a triune God an anachronism in the first three centuries
God and “God” in the New Testament
“God the Father“
Romans 10:13; Joel 2:32; 1 Corinthians 1:3; Psalm 110:1-2; Philippians 2:11; Matthew 2:15; Hosea 11:1; Acts 13:47; Isaiah 42:6; Isaiah 49:6.
This week’s thinking music “We are now” by Marco Trovatello.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music "We are now" by Marco Trovatello. freemusicarchive.org/music/Marco_Trovatello/Not_At_All/05_-_We_Are_Now
trinities.org/blog/podcast-229-buzzard-and-hurtado-on-god-and-jesus-part-2 In this second part of their conversation (Part 1 here), Mr. Buzzard and Dr. Hurtado focus on how New Testament authors apply what were originally texts about Yahweh to Jesus.
What is the significance of this? Is this how they tell us, indirectly, that Jesus is Yahweh himself? Or is something else going on?
They also discuss Dr. Hurtado’s ideas that the NT shows a dyadic worship pattern, a triadic structure of God-talk, and that its authors enfranchise Jesus within biblical discourse about Yahweh.
As before, I comment here and there. Towards the end, I wonder what Dr. Hurtado thinks about this argument (discussed here, here, and here).
God and Jesus differ.
Things which differ are two (i.e. are not numerically identical)
Therefore, God and Jesus are two (not numerically identical). (1, 2)
For any x and y, x and y are the same god only if x and y are not two (i.e. are numerically identical).
Therefore, God and Jesus are not the same god. (3,4)
There is only one god.
Therefore, either God is not a god, or Jesus is not a god. (5, 6)
God is a god.
Therefore, Jesus is not a god. (7,8)
I believe that Sir Anthony would accept the argument as sound. It seems to me that he and Dr. Hurtado should agree that 1-3 is sound. Does Dr. Hurtado also accept 4, 6, and 8? If so, he would be committed to the truth of 9.
Links for this episode:
Anthony Buzzard hosts Dr. Larry Hurtado: God, Jesus & the Trinity
Restoration Fellowship YouTube channel
podcast 45 – Sir Anthony Buzzard on Christian mistakes
podcast 44 – The Spiritual Journey of Sir Anthony Buzzard
podcast 194 – God: One Person or Three? Sanders vs. Buzzard debate
Larry Hurtado’s blog
podcast 150 – Dr. Larry Hurtado’s Destroyer of the gods – Part 2
podcast 149 – Dr. Larry Hurtado’s Destroyer of the gods – Part 1
podcast 100 – Dr. Larry Hurtado on God in New Testament Theology
podcast 99 – Dr. Larry Hurtado on early high christology
Tertullian the unitarian
The God of Jesus in Light of Christian Dogma
Buried Deep
the concept of a triune God an anachronism in the first three centuries
God and “God” in the New Testament
“God the Father“
Romans 10:13; Joel 2:32; 1 Corinthians 1:3; Psalm 110:1-2; Philippians 2:11; Matthew 2:15; Hosea 11:1; Acts 13:47; Isaiah 42:6; Isaiah 49:6.
This week’s thinking music “We are now” by Marco Trovatello.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music "We are now" by Marco Trovatello. freemusicarchive.org/music/Marco_Trovatello/Not_At_All/05_-_We_Are_Now
