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trinities.org/blog/podcast-317-debate-with-rogers-does-mark-teach-that-jesus-is-god-part-1 In this episode apologist Anthony Rogers lays out his case that the gospel according to Mark asserts Jesus to be the one true God. Not only does it call Jesus “the Lord,” it presents Jesus as doing miracles which sort of resemble some of the miracles involved in the famous Old Testament Exodus from Egypt. Thus, any reader should know that this is Yahweh himself, who has come as a man, doing miracles only Yahweh himself could do.
Then, I give my opening statement, emphasizing that the clear and explicit thesis of this book is not that Jesus is God, but rather that Jesus is God’s Christ (a.k.a. Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, King of the Jews, Son of David). I also argue that what Mark doesn’t say is very important evidence, and point out that Rogers’s reading depends on a fulfillment fallacy relating to chapter 1.
Next, we give longer, then shorter rebuttals, which I think start to bring out very radical Rogers’s interpretations are – radical in disagreeing with a lot of even very conservative scholarship, and radical in implying numerous logical contradictions.
I’ve edited the audio here to be more listenable, removing intros and transitions and stumbles, correcting a misstatement by me (I said “John” instead of “Matthew”), and reducing some of the cross-talk. And of course, I added breaks with thinking music.
Next week: back-and-forth discussion, audience Q&A, and closing statements.
Links for this episode @trinities.org/blog/podcast-317-debate-with-rogers-does-mark-teach-that-jesus-is-god-part-1
Source video, Marlon Wilson’s The Gospel Truth YouTube channel
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podcast 124 – a challenge to “Jesus is God” apologists
podcast 257 – A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me
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This week’s thinking music is “Black Keys” by Little Glass Men.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Black Keys" by Little Glass Men. freemusicarchive.org/music/Little_Glass_Men/Simplify/Bright_Night_020617_L2
trinities.org/blog/podcast-317-debate-with-rogers-does-mark-teach-that-jesus-is-god-part-1 In this episode apologist Anthony Rogers lays out his case that the gospel according to Mark asserts Jesus to be the one true God. Not only does it call Jesus “the Lord,” it presents Jesus as doing miracles which sort of resemble some of the miracles involved in the famous Old Testament Exodus from Egypt. Thus, any reader should know that this is Yahweh himself, who has come as a man, doing miracles only Yahweh himself could do.
Then, I give my opening statement, emphasizing that the clear and explicit thesis of this book is not that Jesus is God, but rather that Jesus is God’s Christ (a.k.a. Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, King of the Jews, Son of David). I also argue that what Mark doesn’t say is very important evidence, and point out that Rogers’s reading depends on a fulfillment fallacy relating to chapter 1.
Next, we give longer, then shorter rebuttals, which I think start to bring out very radical Rogers’s interpretations are – radical in disagreeing with a lot of even very conservative scholarship, and radical in implying numerous logical contradictions.
I’ve edited the audio here to be more listenable, removing intros and transitions and stumbles, correcting a misstatement by me (I said “John” instead of “Matthew”), and reducing some of the cross-talk. And of course, I added breaks with thinking music.
Next week: back-and-forth discussion, audience Q&A, and closing statements.
Links for this episode @trinities.org/blog/podcast-317-debate-with-rogers-does-mark-teach-that-jesus-is-god-part-1
Source video, Marlon Wilson’s The Gospel Truth YouTube channel
podcast 225 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 2 – Old “Lord” vs. New “Lord”
podcast 305 – Two Readings of Mark – popular or esoteric? – Part 1 (Part 2, Part 3)
Does Mark teach that Jesus is God?
Mark: Jesus is God’s Son, the Messiah
podcast 13 – On Bauckham’s Bargain
podcast 213 – Has Bauckham clarified his “divine identity” theory? – Part 1 (Part 2)
fulfillment fallacy posts: the Bible teaches that David is God, the Bible on another previous life of Jesus
the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity
“Identifying Jesus as Yahweh” as heresy
podcast 124 – a challenge to “Jesus is God” apologists
podcast 257 – A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me
Debating Dale Starter Pack
This week’s thinking music is “Black Keys” by Little Glass Men.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Black Keys" by Little Glass Men. freemusicarchive.org/music/Little_Glass_Men/Simplify/Bright_Night_020617_L2
