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trinities.org/blog/podcast-265---what-apologists-don't-understand-about-the-terms-"being"-and-"person" In this podcast I explain why I am not vulnerable to changes of “begging the question” or “assuming unitarianism” when it comes to the terms “being” and “Person” as used in Trinity theories.
In short, I let the trinitarian define his technical terms and go from there. When I’m pointing out that some Trinity theories collapse the Father and Son into one and the same being/entity/thing, I’m not using “being” in any technical trinitarian sense. (Nor does my own broader use of “being” imply anything about specialized trinitarian uses of the term “being.”) Nor do I assume that a “Person” must be a thing/entity such as a self. To the contrary, some trinitarians says that a “Person” in their theory is a self, and others strongly deny it. Each theory must be met on its own ground. Of course, I do insist that in the New Testament, Father and Son are clearly two different selves.
I also award Dr. James White with the prestigious Stevie Wonder Trophy for Willful Blindness to Relevant Scholarship, and explain why Dr. White’s assumption of a false yet traditional narrative blinds him to the world of competing Trinity and Incarnation theories that analytic theologians have carefully delineated and evaluated.
The ball is in his court, when it comes to responsibly responding to carefully crafted objections to his speculations.
I also revisit a portion of my debate with Chris Date, and explain why we ran into some communication problems regarding the terms “being” and “Person.”
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/blog/podcast-265---what-apologists-don't-understand-about-the-terms-"being"-and-"person"
What is the Trinity?
Clarifying Catholic Christologies
Brown vs. White on the Trinity
“Constitution Trinitarianism: An Appraisal“
podcast 11 – Tertullian the unitarian
“Trinity,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Trinity,” Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Trinity,” Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Incarnation,” Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
A formulation of Leibniz’s Law / the Indiscernibility of Identicals
the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity
podcast 144 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 2
podcast 143 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 1
podcast 182 – White’s case for the Trinity – Part 2
podcast 181 – White’s case for the Trinity – Part 1
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
Debating Dale Starter Pack
Dale Tuggy @ PhilPapers
Some clarifications for Dr. White
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
podcast 124 – a challenge to “Jesus is God” apologists
Dr. Oliver Crisp on Analytic Theology
Debate – Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Dr. Michael Brown
Debate – Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date “Is Jesus Human and not Divine?” – @ the portion of Mr. Date’s rebuttal that I discuss here
DL Wins the Finals, Dr. Buck Reports on the SBC Annual Meeting, Dale Tuggy Wins the Strawman Award @ the start of his debate “critique”
polite applause courtesy of joedeshon
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Long Live Blind Joe" by Robbero. dig.ccmixter.org/files/Robbero/59218
trinities.org/blog/podcast-265---what-apologists-don't-understand-about-the-terms-"being"-and-"person" In this podcast I explain why I am not vulnerable to changes of “begging the question” or “assuming unitarianism” when it comes to the terms “being” and “Person” as used in Trinity theories.
In short, I let the trinitarian define his technical terms and go from there. When I’m pointing out that some Trinity theories collapse the Father and Son into one and the same being/entity/thing, I’m not using “being” in any technical trinitarian sense. (Nor does my own broader use of “being” imply anything about specialized trinitarian uses of the term “being.”) Nor do I assume that a “Person” must be a thing/entity such as a self. To the contrary, some trinitarians says that a “Person” in their theory is a self, and others strongly deny it. Each theory must be met on its own ground. Of course, I do insist that in the New Testament, Father and Son are clearly two different selves.
I also award Dr. James White with the prestigious Stevie Wonder Trophy for Willful Blindness to Relevant Scholarship, and explain why Dr. White’s assumption of a false yet traditional narrative blinds him to the world of competing Trinity and Incarnation theories that analytic theologians have carefully delineated and evaluated.
The ball is in his court, when it comes to responsibly responding to carefully crafted objections to his speculations.
I also revisit a portion of my debate with Chris Date, and explain why we ran into some communication problems regarding the terms “being” and “Person.”
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/blog/podcast-265---what-apologists-don't-understand-about-the-terms-"being"-and-"person"
What is the Trinity?
Clarifying Catholic Christologies
Brown vs. White on the Trinity
“Constitution Trinitarianism: An Appraisal“
podcast 11 – Tertullian the unitarian
“Trinity,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Trinity,” Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Trinity,” Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Incarnation,” Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
A formulation of Leibniz’s Law / the Indiscernibility of Identicals
the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity
podcast 144 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 2
podcast 143 – Dr. Timothy Pawl’s In Defense of Conciliar Christology – Part 1
podcast 182 – White’s case for the Trinity – Part 2
podcast 181 – White’s case for the Trinity – Part 1
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
Debating Dale Starter Pack
Dale Tuggy @ PhilPapers
Some clarifications for Dr. White
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
podcast 124 – a challenge to “Jesus is God” apologists
Dr. Oliver Crisp on Analytic Theology
Debate – Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Dr. Michael Brown
Debate – Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date “Is Jesus Human and not Divine?” – @ the portion of Mr. Date’s rebuttal that I discuss here
DL Wins the Finals, Dr. Buck Reports on the SBC Annual Meeting, Dale Tuggy Wins the Strawman Award @ the start of his debate “critique”
polite applause courtesy of joedeshon
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Long Live Blind Joe" by Robbero. dig.ccmixter.org/files/Robbero/59218
