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My guest today is Thomas Chatterton Williams, staff writer at The Atlantic and author of the upcoming book 'Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse.'

We spoke about the so-called 'woke right', the rejection of liberal principles on both ends of the political spectrum, whether or not we have come to the end of a political golden age, what BLM get right about race in America, and why black culture is now America's most influential cultural export.

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