Uploaded August 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Exclusive Overtime discussion: nonzero.org/p/the-open-source-ai-question-robert-4c1

0:00 Nathan’s work at AI2—and his p(doom)
4:36 What does “open source AI” mean?
10:37 How Nathan taught a Llama new tricks
17:41 Pros and cons of open sourcing AI
28:57 Nathan's ATOM Project to boost American open models
37:34 What's behind OpenAI's open source play?
39:56 Geoffrey Hinton's case against open models
44:03 Is the US-China open model rivalry really zero-sum?
51:08 Heading to Overtime

Discussed in Overtime:
China's open source ecosystem.
AI threat inflation vs China threat inflation.
Open source AI by the numbers.
Nathan: DeepSeek changed everything.
Is open AI a threat to OpenAI?
The future of training and compute.
Meta’s and Apple’s AI strategies (or lack thereof).
Is AI alignment overblown?

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Nathan Lambert (The Allen Institute for AI, interconnects.ai/). Recorded August 12, 2025.

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