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In this first episode of the "Philosophy of Meditation" series, Rick Repetti and John Vervaeke take listeners on an engaging exploration of the intricate world of meditation and its deep roots in philosophical thought. John shares his transformative journey from a strict fundamentalist Christian background to finding solace and depth in Eastern philosophy and the practice of mindfulness. Rick and John’s conversation navigates through the nuances of meditation and contemplation, shedding light on how these practices enrich the pursuit of wisdom and self-awareness. The discussion also bridges the gap between academic and practical philosophy, illustrating their vital role in understanding and cultivating wisdom. For listeners, this episode offers a deep, reflective insight into the philosophy of meditation, providing a comprehensive view of how these ancient practices are relevant and transformative in the modern world. The outcome is a rich tapestry of ideas, encouraging listeners to explore their own paths toward wisdom and self-realization.
John Vervaeke:
Website: johnvervaeke.com
YouTube: youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
Patreon: patreon.com/johnvervaeke
X: twitter.com/vervaeke_john
Facebook: facebook.com/VervaekeJohn
Rick Repetti:
Website: rickrepetti.com
Instagram: instagram.com/rickrepetti
X: twitter.com/rickrepetti
Facebook: facebook.com/philosophicalpractitioner
Join our new Patreon
patreon.com/johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation - vervaekefoundation.org
Awaken to Meaning - awakentomeaning.com
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
After Socrates
youtube.com/watch?v=ZOwjmZx12gk&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuj6q5NP_fXjBzUT1p_qYSCC
AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist
youtu.be/A-_RdKiDbz4
Books, Articles, and Publications
Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti
amazon.com/Routledge-Handbook-Philosophy-Meditation-Repetti/dp/036764746X
Experimental Phenomenology: An Introduction - Don Ihde amazon.com/Experimental-Phenomenology-Introduction-Don-Ihde/dp/0887061990
Mentoring the Machines: Orientation - Part One: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne amazon.com/Mentoring-Machines-Orientation-Artificially-Intelligent/dp/1645010821
Mentoring the Machines: Origins - Part 2: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne
amazon.com/gp/product/B0CH8W8XLF
The Republic by Plato - The Internet Classics Archive
https://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html
Relevance, Meaning and the Cognitive Science of Wisdom Vervaeke, J., & Ferraro, L. (2013)
researchgate.net/publication/286508333_Relevance_Meaning_and_the_Cognitive_Science_of_Wisdom
Quotes
"Mindfulness and philosophy converge in cognitive science, enriching our understanding of wisdom." - John Vervaeke
"Meditation and contemplation are integral for a holistic philosophical understanding." - Rick Repetti
"The journey to wisdom involves integrating academic philosophy with life practices." - John Vervaeke
Chapters with Timestamps
[00:00:00] Introduction to the Series
[00:03:00] John's Personal Journey to Philosophy and Meditation
[00:06:00] The Convergence of Mindfulness and Academic Philosophy
[00:11:40] Defining Meditation and Contemplation
[00:19:24] Discussion on Academic Philosophy and Its Practice
[00:22:20] Exploring the Philosophy of Meditation
[00:41:00] The Impact of Meditation in Personal Life
[00:52:00] Neoplatonic Levels of Meditation
[00:55:50] Integration of Eastern and Western Philosophical Practices
[01:17:16] Exploring the Verveke Foundation and Its Role
[01:24:00] The Importance of Community and Shared Practices
[01:28:00] Final Thoughts and Reflections
In this first episode of the "Philosophy of Meditation" series, Rick Repetti and John Vervaeke take listeners on an engaging exploration of the intricate world of meditation and its deep roots in philosophical thought. John shares his transformative journey from a strict fundamentalist Christian background to finding solace and depth in Eastern philosophy and the practice of mindfulness. Rick and John’s conversation navigates through the nuances of meditation and contemplation, shedding light on how these practices enrich the pursuit of wisdom and self-awareness. The discussion also bridges the gap between academic and practical philosophy, illustrating their vital role in understanding and cultivating wisdom. For listeners, this episode offers a deep, reflective insight into the philosophy of meditation, providing a comprehensive view of how these ancient practices are relevant and transformative in the modern world. The outcome is a rich tapestry of ideas, encouraging listeners to explore their own paths toward wisdom and self-realization.
John Vervaeke:
Website: johnvervaeke.com
YouTube: youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
Patreon: patreon.com/johnvervaeke
X: twitter.com/vervaeke_john
Facebook: facebook.com/VervaekeJohn
Rick Repetti:
Website: rickrepetti.com
Instagram: instagram.com/rickrepetti
X: twitter.com/rickrepetti
Facebook: facebook.com/philosophicalpractitioner
Join our new Patreon
patreon.com/johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation - vervaekefoundation.org
Awaken to Meaning - awakentomeaning.com
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
After Socrates
youtube.com/watch?v=ZOwjmZx12gk&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuj6q5NP_fXjBzUT1p_qYSCC
AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist
youtu.be/A-_RdKiDbz4
Books, Articles, and Publications
Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti
amazon.com/Routledge-Handbook-Philosophy-Meditation-Repetti/dp/036764746X
Experimental Phenomenology: An Introduction - Don Ihde amazon.com/Experimental-Phenomenology-Introduction-Don-Ihde/dp/0887061990
Mentoring the Machines: Orientation - Part One: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne amazon.com/Mentoring-Machines-Orientation-Artificially-Intelligent/dp/1645010821
Mentoring the Machines: Origins - Part 2: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne
amazon.com/gp/product/B0CH8W8XLF
The Republic by Plato - The Internet Classics Archive
https://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html
Relevance, Meaning and the Cognitive Science of Wisdom Vervaeke, J., & Ferraro, L. (2013)
researchgate.net/publication/286508333_Relevance_Meaning_and_the_Cognitive_Science_of_Wisdom
Quotes
"Mindfulness and philosophy converge in cognitive science, enriching our understanding of wisdom." - John Vervaeke
"Meditation and contemplation are integral for a holistic philosophical understanding." - Rick Repetti
"The journey to wisdom involves integrating academic philosophy with life practices." - John Vervaeke
Chapters with Timestamps
[00:00:00] Introduction to the Series
[00:03:00] John's Personal Journey to Philosophy and Meditation
[00:06:00] The Convergence of Mindfulness and Academic Philosophy
[00:11:40] Defining Meditation and Contemplation
[00:19:24] Discussion on Academic Philosophy and Its Practice
[00:22:20] Exploring the Philosophy of Meditation
[00:41:00] The Impact of Meditation in Personal Life
[00:52:00] Neoplatonic Levels of Meditation
[00:55:50] Integration of Eastern and Western Philosophical Practices
[01:17:16] Exploring the Verveke Foundation and Its Role
[01:24:00] The Importance of Community and Shared Practices
[01:28:00] Final Thoughts and Reflections
![Dynamics of Modern Paradigm Shifts with Jordan Hall
John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall engage in a profound discussion on the nature and impact of paradigm shifts in contemporary times, exploring how these shifts are not just led by theoretical changes but also by randomness and technical advancements. They delve into the role of anomalies, experimentation, and the concept of the imaginal in facilitating these shifts. Highlighting historical examples, such as Einstein and Heisenberg, they discuss how philosophical and cross-cultural explorations contribute to new ways of thinking. The conversation further explores the necessity of breaking existing structures and disciplines for new explorations, with the metaphor of individuals gathering diverse tools without initially understanding their collective purpose. This comprehensive dialogue underscores the complexity of paradigm shifts, intertwining technical, individual, collective, and socio-cultural dynamics.
Resources and References:
Jordan Hall
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMzT-mdCqoyEv YZVtE7MQ
Medium: https://medium.com/deep-code
X: https://twitter.com/jgreenhall?lang=en
John Vervaeke
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: https://vervaekefoundation.org/
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
The Elusive I - Part 1 - The Cognitive Science Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v Fnmp6UVafM
Books, Articles, and Publications
Hyperobjects: Philosophy and Ecology after the End of the World - Timothy Morton: https://www.amazon.com/Hyperobjects-Philosophy-Ecology-after-Posthumanities/dp/0816689237/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LWYD2SINOHUY&keywords=hyperobject&qid=1701107924&s=books&sprefix=hyperobject%2Cstripbooks%2C157&sr=1-1
Gilles Deleuze - Postscript on the Societies of Control: http://home.lu.lv/~ruben/Deleuze%20-%20Postscript%20On%20The%20Societies%20Of%20Control.pdf
Postscript on Societies of Control. Deleuze, G. (1995). In M. Joughin (Trans.), Negotiations (pp. 177-182). Columbia University Press. (Original work published 1990).: https://deleuze.cla.purdue.edu/resource/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-societies-of-control/
Timestamped Highlights
[00:00:00] - Introduction to the concept of paradigm shifts and their influence by technical changes and new theories.
[00:03:04] - Perspective on paradigm shifts, emphasizing philosophical aspects influencing scientists like Einstein and Heisenberg.
[00:06:01] - Discussion on the process of paradigm shifts, comparing it to discovering and utilizing new tools like a screwdriver.
[00:09:12] - Exploration of the role of imagination in paradigm shifts, with references to historical figures like Galileo.
[00:12:01] - Analysis of the interplay between the possible, the adjacent possible, and the imaginal in the context of paradigm shifts.
[00:15:06] - Elaboration on the concept of recollecting oneself during paradigm shifts.
[00:18:42] - Questioning how people recognize and adopt new paradigms, focusing on the role of anomalies.
[00:21:21] - Discussion of the impact of societal changes and cultural anomalies on individuals experiences and perceptions.
[00:24:53] - Connection of Timothy Mortons concept of hyperobjects with Piagets work on developmental change, relating it to paradigm shifts.
[00:30:12] - Discussion of the adjacent possible and its relation to paradigm shifts, using personal experiences as examples.
[00:33:12] - Delving into the idea of distributed cognition in relation to grasping complex concepts like hyperobjects.
[00:37:53] - Emphasis that in every paradigm shift, new problems are resolved, opportunities emerge, and new problems arise.
[00:42:44] - Analysis of the emergence of democracy from the Protestant Reformation, linking it to changes brought by the printing press.
[00:46:35] - Description of how digital identities and services could be modulated based on social credit scores in a future paradigm.
[00:51:50] - Prediction of the future potential of fully implemented social credit systems and their impact on everyday life.
[00:56:57] - Discussion on the potential of new technologies to cause paradigmatic shifts, similar to alphabetic literacy and the printing press, and how these shifts might engender new ways of thinking and being beyond their immediate, apparent effects.
[01:00:08] - Analysis of the potential outcomes and limitations of Chinas AI-controlled social credit system, exploring its evolutionary impact within the constraints of paradigm space.
[01:06:29] - Conclusion: Deliberation on the potential of rapid paradigm shifts to either disrupt human connection to timeless values or enhance understanding, emphasizing the need for discernment. Dynamics of Modern Paradigm Shifts with Jordan Hall](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JDKM6UXzBqM/mqdefault.jpg)
![Integrating Science and Contemplative Practice | Philosophy of Meditation #7 with Mark Miller
In this episode of Voices with Vervaeke, philosopher and cognitive scientist Mark Miller joins John Vervaeke and Rick Repetti for a fascinating discussion on the connections between philosophy, science, and contemplative practice. Mark provides insight into his work as a synthetic philosopher, integrating diverse fields like neuroscience and Buddhism to create theoretical frameworks for understanding the mind and contemplation. The conversation explores whether there can or should be a philosophy of meditation, and how science and philosophy might contribute to human flourishing and contemplative development. Mark shares rich examples of how computational models and cognitive science can elucidate contemplative skills and states, providing nuance to traditional teachings. He emphasizes the importance of balance between insight practices and compassion cultivation on the contemplative path.
Mark Miller, a philosopher and cognitive scientist, holds a senior research fellowship at Monash Universitys Center for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies in Australia, with affiliations at the University of Toronto and Hokkaido University in Japan. His work, which delves into the interplay between human thought, technologys impact on well-being, and human-computer interaction, is at the forefront of integrating cognitive neuroscience with philosophical inquiry.
Glossary of Terms
Predictive Processing: A cognitive science theory that suggests the brain continuously makes predictions about the environment based on past experiences.
Synthetic Philosophy: An interdisciplinary approach that integrates insights from various fields to develop comprehensive frameworks for understanding complex phenomena.
Contemplative Science: A field of study that investigates the effects of meditation and contemplative practices on the mind and well-being.
John Vervaeke:
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
Rick Repetti:
Website: https://www.rickrepetti.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rickrepetti/
X: https://twitter.com/rickrepetti
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/philosophicalpractitioner/
Mark Miller:
The Contemplative Science Podcast: https://www.thecontemplativescientists.com/
Website: https://www.markdmiller.live/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaYjSup-Hp3V9P6MGt2zPuA
X: https://twitter.com/predictivelife
Join our new Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation - https://vervaekefoundation.org/
Awaken to Meaning - https://awakentomeaning.com/
Books, Articles, and Publications
Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti
https://www.amazon.com/Routledge-Handbook-Philosophy-Meditation-Repetti/dp/036764746X
Why I Am Not a Buddhist - Evan Thompson https://www.amazon.com/Why-I-Am-Not-Buddhist/dp/0300264674
Quotes
“Meditation is philosophy. Its not about relaxing, and its certainly not about just creating weird psychedelic states so that we can blow our minds and talk about it. Meditation is a way of knowing ourselves, knowing our situation, and then flourishing through that special knowing.” - Mark Miller [00:16:42]
Dont under appreciate the value of love for your training. If youre listening to this, and youre contemplative, and youre tuning in now to help your practice, dont overlook it. Its valuable at the beginning, in the middle, in the end - like even a small amount of loving kindness and kindness practice now is going to make all the difference. - Mark Miller [00:56:00]
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:06:00] - Mark Millers Journey in Contemplative Science
[00:14:00] - Meditations Role in Philosophy and Contemplation
[00:17:00] - Synthetic Philosophy and Contemplative Science
[00:23:00] - Bridging Science, Philosophy and Contemplative Practice
[00:30:00] - Blending Philosophy and Cognitive Science in Contemplative Practice
[00:47:00] - Exploring Deep Belief Structures and Skillful Engagement
[00:55:00] - Concluding Thoughts Integrating Science and Contemplative Practice | Philosophy of Meditation #7 with Mark Miller](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JF1DERVUc1M/mqdefault.jpg)



![Exploring the Transrational: A Journey into the Realms of Consciousness with Vivian Dittmar
In their second dialogue on Voices with Vervaeke, John Vervaeke and Vivian Dittmar explore transrational thought, emotions, and transformative practices, embarking on a profound journey into human experience. Vivian introduces a map of five distinct sensations, illuminating the practice of conscious release for personal growth, emotional maturity, and integrating higher consciousness with shadow aspects. Their discussion delves into pre-rational, rational, and transrational modes of thought, emphasizing the importance of integrating various forms of thinking to navigate modern cognitive landscapes effectively. This intellectual and experiential exploration offers valuable perspectives on human consciousness, emotional work, and the potential of transrational thought to enrich our self-understanding and worldview.
Vivian Dittmar, a globally influenced author, speaker, and wisdom teacher, has dedicated two decades to enhancing holistic development. Her diverse upbringing inspired her to explore beyond conventional education, delving into various cultures wisdom. Through her books and the Be the Change Foundation, Dittmar seeks to redefine prosperity, focusing on emotional intelligence, ecological sustainability, social justice, and spiritual fulfillment, aiming to address the crises facing modern society.
Glossary of Terms
Transrational: Going beyond or surpassing human reason or the rational; nonverbal; nonlinear; abstract.
Pre-rational: Preceding the development of intelligence.
Rational: A state of consciousness characterized by logical, linear, and verbal thinking.
Conscious Release: A practice developed by Vivian Dittmar that fosters the integration of higher states of consciousness with shadow aspects.
John Vervaeke
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Vivian Dittmar
Website: https://viviandittmar.com
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@viviandittmareng
Resources:
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Voices with Veraeke: Exploring Emotions and Transrational Wisdom with Vivian Dittmar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQWLfOFe0lo
The Emotional Backpack: How to release unhealthy feelings - Vivian Dittmar https://viviandittmar.net/en/the-emotional-backpack-book/
Your Inner GPS: Find Clarity with the Five Ways of Thinking - Vivian Dittmar https://viviandittmar.net/en/your-inner-gps-book/
Workshop: “How Big Is Your Emotional Backpack?” https://signup.lebensweise.net/free-backpack-workshop
Online Course: “The Emotional Backpack” ► https://campus.lebensweise.net/o/the-emotional-backpack-online-course/
Rational Intuition: Philosophical Roots, Scientific Investigations - Lisa Osbeck, Barbara Held https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Intuition-Philosophical-Scientific-Investigations/dp/1316621219
Quotes
One of the things that became really clear to me is that the transrational by nature has a very difficult stance in todays world because it speaks to us in a way that is nonverbal, nonlinear, abstract. - Vivian Dittmar [00:16:00]
“The ancient world had a whole faculty and term for nous and noesis, and that was all lost with the loss of our Neoplatonic heritage. - John Vervaeke [00:16:18]
We have a transrational faculty that is also proactive, that is not receptive, and thats intention. It’s really challenging for people to understand in our cultural framework because we very quickly confuse intention with a goal. - Vivian Dittmar [00:57:43]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Overview of the Poly Crisis and Emotional Intelligence
[00:04:00] - Differentiating Sensations, Emotions, and Consciousness
[00:11:13] - Pre-rational, Rational, and Transrational Distinctions
[00:25:00] - Intuition, Inspiration, and Transrational Wisdom
[00:38:45] - Heart Intelligence
[00:47:50] - Reevaluating Rationality and Embracing Intuitive Integration for Decision-Making
[00:56:17] - Intention and Shaping Agency in Transrational Knowing
[01:03:40] - Bridging Phenomenology, Transrational, and Transpersonal Dialogues Exploring the Transrational: A Journey into the Realms of Consciousness with Vivian Dittmar](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KSObTcQ6_Bg/mqdefault.jpg)

![Unveiling the Self: A Philosophical Journey | Philosophy of Meditation #2 with Pierre Grimes
In the second episode of the Philosophy of Meditation series, hosts John Vervaeke and Rick Repetti welcome Pierre Grimes, a profound figure in the world of philosophical counseling. This episode delves into Grimes journey, starting from his transformative experiences in WWII and leading up to his significant contributions in philosophical midwifery. Grimes shares insights from his encounter with divine illumination and explores the critical distinction between the light of being and the one in philosophy and Buddhism. The discussion also touches upon the integration of rational thought and spiritual practice, the concept of logos, and the transformative power of realizing the one within oneself. Listeners will gain an in-depth understanding of the interplay between Eastern and Western philosophical traditions, as well as the practical applications of these philosophies in personal growth and self-understanding. This episode offers a rich exploration of philosophical and meditative practices, providing invaluable insights for anyone seeking deeper self-knowledge and enlightenment.
Pierre Grimes, Ph.D., a distinguished philosopher and founder of the Noetic Society, has revolutionized the Socratic dialectic with his development of philosophical midwifery, a cornerstone of contemporary philosophical counseling. His influential work, particularly in the United States since the 1960s, is encapsulated in his book, Philosophical Midwifery. A board member of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association (APPA), Grimes has been pivotal in integrating Neoplatonism with Zen Buddhism, showcasing his mastery of Eastern and Western philosophies. His role as a Dharma teacher and successor in the Korean Chogye Buddhist order further illustrates his profound impact on philosophical counseling and spiritual development, contributing significantly to both personal and collective enlightenment.
Resources and References
John Vervaeke:
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
Rick Repetti:
Website: https://www.rickrepetti.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rickrepetti/
X: https://twitter.com/rickrepetti
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/philosophicalpractitioner/
Pierre Grimes:
Website: https://www.noeticsociety.org/
Join our new Patreon
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John Vervaeke YouTube
After Socrates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOwjmZx12gk&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuj6q5NP_fXjBzUT1p_qYSCC
Books, Articles, and Publications
Socrates and Jesus: A Dialogue in Heaven - Pierre Grimes https://www.amazon.com/Socrates-Jesus-Dialogue-Pierre-Grimes/dp/B0CP5ZQLSK
Philosophical Midwifery: A New Paradigm for Understanding Human Problems With Its Validation - Pierre Grimes, Regina L. Ulianan https://www.amazon.com/Philosophical-Midwifery-Paradigm-Understanding-Validation/dp/1667878352/
Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti
https://www.amazon.com/Routledge-Handbook-Philosophy-Meditation-Repetti/dp/036764746X
Quotes
Real philosophy needs a language. Greek has the language. - Pierre Grimes
Every person is a problem, brings forth a problem. - Pierre Grimes
Philosophy can subsume within itself all religious traditions, spiritual systems. - Pierre Grimes
Our problem is that we have imported a philosophy that doesnt do us any good. - Pierre Grimes
Chapters with Timestamps
[00:00:00] Introduction and Guest Background
[00:03:07] Insights from Military Service and Education
[00:11:40] Pierres Spiritual Awakening and Exploration
[00:33:32] Integration of Eastern and Western Philosophical Traditions
[00:51:00] The Nature of Self and Enlightenment
[01:00:00]Philosophy as a Tool for Personal and Collective Transformation
[01:17:12] Concluding Thoughts Unveiling the Self: A Philosophical Journey | Philosophy of Meditation #2 with Pierre Grimes](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LBID1be2BPk/mqdefault.jpg)

![Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch
In this episode of “Voices with Vervaeke,” Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch join host John Vervaeke to explore the intersection of chronic pain, dialog, reasoning, and socio-technology ethics. Drawing from Nates personal experience with chronic pain and his background in organizational design, the conversation delves into the challenges corporations face in exhibiting benevolence and integrity, the biopsychosocial nature of trust, and the importance of understanding ones perspective in navigating chronic pain journeys. The discussion also highlights the need for a shift in language and models to better understand and address chronic pain, as well as the potential of the 4E model in changing the conversation. With a focus on empowering individuals and fostering equal partnerships in dialogue, this episode encourages listeners to share their lived experiences and contribute to a transformative understanding of chronic pain.
Guest Bio and Links:
Terri Dentry is a distinguished PhD graduate in interprofessional practice, dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional medical practices and holistic wellness approaches. With a keen focus on patient empowerment and integrated health solutions, Terri advocates for a healthcare model that values dialogical reasoning and personal journey understanding, aiming to transform patient care into a collaborative, multidimensional experience.
Nathan Kinch, a sociotechnology ethicist, combines personal passion with a decade of experience in leading global transformations, focusing on ethics and trustworthiness within organizations. His work emphasizes aligning practices with core values and fostering environments of trust.
Listeners can learn more about:
Terri Dentry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terridentry/.
Nate Kinch at his website, http://www.trustworthyby.design/ on LinkedIn, https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathankinch/ and on his Substack, https://trustworthy.substack.com/
If you’d like to reach out to Terri to share your own personal story or thoughts, please feel free to email her at terri@thinkred.com.au.
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The Vervaeke Foundation
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Awaken to Meaning
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Voicecraft https://www.voicecraft.io/
Kinch, N. (2023, December). Whats trust got to do with it? The RSA. https://www.thersa.org/comment/2023/12/whats-trust-got-to-do-with-it
Kinch, N. (2023, October). Three reasons why AI ethics is struggling. The RSA. https://www.thersa.org/comment/2023/10/three-reasons-why-ai-ethics-is-struggling
Sull, D., Sull, C., & Chamberlain, A. (2020). When It Comes to Culture, Does Your Company Walk the Talk? ResearchGate. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343179780_When_It_Comes_to_Culture_Does_Your_Company_Walk_the_Talk.
A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology - Robert B. Brandom https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Trust-Reading-Hegels-Phenomenology/dp/0674976819
Quotes:
My work is defined as sociotechnology ethics. I examine the relationship between our values, various aspects of the civilizational stack, and how we design different technologies. This covers a wide range of areas, including machine learning, AI, synthetic biology, and medical and clinical contexts. - Nate Kinch [00:02:58]
Part of that journey is very personal, as people must look at how they view their own experiences. We want to help them see how others go through it and learn from their journeys. - Terri Dentry, [00:01:23]
Thinking of trust primarily as a psychological trait is to fundamentally misunderstand it. - John Vervaeke [00:16:57]
Glossary of Terms:
Biopsychosocial Model: An approach to healthcare that integrates biological, psychological, and social factors.
Chapters:
[00:00:00] - Overview and Introduction to Guests Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch
[00:04:20] - Navigating the Complex Terrain of Trust, Transformation, and Ethical Re-architecture in Modern Organizations
[00:34:40] - Bridging Dialogues: Empowerment and Understanding in Healthcare and Beyond
[00:48:41] - Nate’s Personal Journey of Healing and Discovery
[01:07:13] - Beyond Healing: Integrating Spirituality and Meaning
[01:18:00] - Concluding Thoughts: Wisdom, Healing, and Collective Insight
Connect with John:
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/ Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lzug-jtx1PA/mqdefault.jpg)
