Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
In this livestream, John will reflect on the past year, walk through important updates to the Lectern platform, preview upcoming courses, and share a major announcement:
Led by Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to…
perceive what matters
regulate in real time
and act with clarity
…through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness.
Learn more about the program here:
lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x
In this livestream, John will reflect on the past year, walk through important updates to the Lectern platform, preview upcoming courses, and share a major announcement:
Led by Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to…
perceive what matters
regulate in real time
and act with clarity
…through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness.
Learn more about the program here:
lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x
![Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch
In this episode of “Voices with Vervaeke,” Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch join host John Vervaeke to explore the intersection of chronic pain, dialog, reasoning, and socio-technology ethics. Drawing from Nates personal experience with chronic pain and his background in organizational design, the conversation delves into the challenges corporations face in exhibiting benevolence and integrity, the biopsychosocial nature of trust, and the importance of understanding ones perspective in navigating chronic pain journeys. The discussion also highlights the need for a shift in language and models to better understand and address chronic pain, as well as the potential of the 4E model in changing the conversation. With a focus on empowering individuals and fostering equal partnerships in dialogue, this episode encourages listeners to share their lived experiences and contribute to a transformative understanding of chronic pain.
Guest Bio and Links:
Terri Dentry is a distinguished PhD graduate in interprofessional practice, dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional medical practices and holistic wellness approaches. With a keen focus on patient empowerment and integrated health solutions, Terri advocates for a healthcare model that values dialogical reasoning and personal journey understanding, aiming to transform patient care into a collaborative, multidimensional experience.
Nathan Kinch, a sociotechnology ethicist, combines personal passion with a decade of experience in leading global transformations, focusing on ethics and trustworthiness within organizations. His work emphasizes aligning practices with core values and fostering environments of trust.
Listeners can learn more about:
Terri Dentry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terridentry/.
Nate Kinch at his website, http://www.trustworthyby.design/ on LinkedIn, https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathankinch/ and on his Substack, https://trustworthy.substack.com/
If you’d like to reach out to Terri to share your own personal story or thoughts, please feel free to email her at terri@thinkred.com.au.
Resources:
Join our new Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation
https://vervaekefoundation.org/
Awaken to Meaning
https://awakentomeaning.com/
Voicecraft https://www.voicecraft.io/
Kinch, N. (2023, December). Whats trust got to do with it? The RSA. https://www.thersa.org/comment/2023/12/whats-trust-got-to-do-with-it
Kinch, N. (2023, October). Three reasons why AI ethics is struggling. The RSA. https://www.thersa.org/comment/2023/10/three-reasons-why-ai-ethics-is-struggling
Sull, D., Sull, C., & Chamberlain, A. (2020). When It Comes to Culture, Does Your Company Walk the Talk? ResearchGate. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343179780_When_It_Comes_to_Culture_Does_Your_Company_Walk_the_Talk.
A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology - Robert B. Brandom https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Trust-Reading-Hegels-Phenomenology/dp/0674976819
Quotes:
My work is defined as sociotechnology ethics. I examine the relationship between our values, various aspects of the civilizational stack, and how we design different technologies. This covers a wide range of areas, including machine learning, AI, synthetic biology, and medical and clinical contexts. - Nate Kinch [00:02:58]
Part of that journey is very personal, as people must look at how they view their own experiences. We want to help them see how others go through it and learn from their journeys. - Terri Dentry, [00:01:23]
Thinking of trust primarily as a psychological trait is to fundamentally misunderstand it. - John Vervaeke [00:16:57]
Glossary of Terms:
Biopsychosocial Model: An approach to healthcare that integrates biological, psychological, and social factors.
Chapters:
[00:00:00] - Overview and Introduction to Guests Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch
[00:04:20] - Navigating the Complex Terrain of Trust, Transformation, and Ethical Re-architecture in Modern Organizations
[00:34:40] - Bridging Dialogues: Empowerment and Understanding in Healthcare and Beyond
[00:48:41] - Nate’s Personal Journey of Healing and Discovery
[01:07:13] - Beyond Healing: Integrating Spirituality and Meaning
[01:18:00] - Concluding Thoughts: Wisdom, Healing, and Collective Insight
Connect with John:
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/ Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lzug-jtx1PA/mqdefault.jpg)






![The Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis John Vervaeke Iain McGilchrist Daniel Schmachtenberger
In this episode, John Vervaeke, Iain McGilchrist, and Daniel Schmachtenberger dive deep into the metacrisis, unraveling its intricate layers. They discuss the role of hemispheric differences in shaping human experiences and worldviews, explore the contemporary meaning crisis, and analyze how human psychology intersects with global crises. Throughout their conversation, they stress the importance of shifting from extrinsic to intrinsic purposes, critique the dominance of the left hemisphere, and advocate for wisdom-based values. The panelists also ponder the potential for a new philosophical awakening, the reinterpretation of existing religions, and the necessity of holistic education. Importantly, they emphasize the significance of nurturing beauty, embracing awe, and recognizing our sacred obligation to protect our ever-evolving reality. The dialogue provides insights into how individuals can navigate this complex landscape and contribute to a wiser, more connected world.
Iain McGilchrist: Iain McGilchrist is a renowned psychiatrist and writer known for his exploration of the brains hemispheres. His seminal work, The Master and His Emissary, delves into how the brains structure affects human behavior, culture, and society, offering insightful perspectives on the cognitive underpinnings of modern challenges.
Daniel Schmachtenberger: Daniel Schmachtenberger is a multidisciplinary thinker dedicated to addressing global existential risks. His work focuses on the intersection of technology, human psychology, and civilization dynamics. He is recognized for his deep insights into systemic health, generative societal design, and strategies for a sustainable and flourishing future.
Glossary of Terms
Metacrisis: A term encompassing various global existential risks and challenges.
Meaning Crisis: The widespread feeling of lack of meaning in modern society.
Relevance Realization: A cognitive process of determining what information is relevant in a given context.
Resources and References:
Iain McGilchrist
Website: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW0LCKUFTTtgitH33Mx6u-A
X: https://twitter.com/dr_mcgilchrist
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrIainMcGilchrist/
Daniel Schmachtenberger
Website: https://civilizationemerging.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danielschmachtenberger
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielschmachtenberger/
John Vervaeke
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: https://vervaekefoundation.org/
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
Books
The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World - Iain McGilchrist: https://www.amazon.com/Master-His-Emissary-Divided-Western-dp-0300245920/dp/0300245920/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
How the West Really Lost God: A New Theory of Secularization - Mary Eberstadt
The Psychology of Belonging - Kelly-Ann Allen
Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis - John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Filip Miscevic
Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler
Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny - Robert Wright
Chapters with Timestamps
[00:00:00] Introduction to the Metacrisis
[00:01:04] Defining Metacrisis and Initial Thoughts
[00:08:26] The Role of Brain Hemispheres in Human Experience
[00:21:29] The Meaning Crisis in Modern Society
[00:30:45] Human Mind and Cognition in the Metacrisis
[00:39:42] Exploration of Etiology and Psychological-Environmental Interrelations
[00:58:26] Redefining Purpose: Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic
[01:08:16] Hemispheric Imbalance and Its Impact on Civilization
[01:15:25] Rebalancing Power and Wisdom in Influential Figures
[01:39:05] Navigating the Dance of Reason, Authority, and Power
[01:53:19] Imagination in Rational Thinking
[02:02:45] Philosophical Awakening and Global Issues
[02:14:55] Human Responsibility in the Evolution of the Divine
[02:34:15] Fostering Global Wisdom through Pluralism
[02:39:25] The Intersection of Religion and Scale
[02:55:29] Revitalizing Religion for Modern Challenges
[03:05:56] Reimagining Education and Institutional Structures
[03:14:24] Embracing Beauty and Sacred Obligation The Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis John Vervaeke Iain McGilchrist Daniel Schmachtenberger](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P7i1ughRGcQ/mqdefault.jpg)


