Uploaded November 2023 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Dr. John Vervaeke engages in an in-depth conversation with Seth Allison, a practicing psychotherapist, to discuss attachment theory, Internal Family Systems (IFS), and their implications for mental health and relationships. The two experts start off by exploring Seth's personal journey into psychotherapy and the influences that led him to attachment theory. As they unravel the nuances of secure and anxious attachments, the pair also discuss the impact of attachment styles on relationships, parenting, and mental health interventions. With Seth sharing personal struggles and professional insights, the episode becomes an enlightening blend of narrative and knowledge. The conversation ventures into the realms of dialogical practices and wisdom cultivation, touching upon the emotional and physiological aspects of human bonding.
Resources
Seth Allison
Grow Collective: growcollective.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/seth-allison-13abb811b
John Vervaeke
Website: johnvervaeke.com
Patreon: patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: facebook.com/VervaekeJohn
X: twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: vervaekefoundation.org
Workshops
Wise Attachment – Sunday, November 12th, 2023 – 10:00am to 12:00pm EST – Event and Registration Link: awakentomeaning.com/event/wise-attachment
IFS Workshop – Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 10:00am to 12:00pm EST – Event and Registration Link: awakentomeaning.com/event/ifs-workshop
Books
Assessing Adult Attachment: A Dynamic-Maturational Approach to Discourse Analysis - Patricia McKinsey Crittenden, Andrea Landini: amazon.com/Assessing-Adult-Attachment-Dynamic-Maturational-Professional/dp/0393706672
Timecodes
00:00:00 — Dr. John Vervaeke introduces Seth Allison and sets the stage for the episode.
00:01:01 — Seth shares his journey into psychotherapy and its influences.
00:08:38 — Seth discusses the concept of an infant's experience of hunger.
00:10:00 — Introduction to the three steps of understanding attachment theory.
00:16:20 — A deep dive into the concept of information processing in attachment.
00:20:29 — Vervaeke highlights the cultural misconceptions surrounding attachment as dependence.
00:30:15 — Seth Allison describes the emotional regulation between a mother and her child.
00:35:40 — Discussion on disconnection from internal data in children.
00:40:30 — John Vervaeke shares his personal realization of having an anxious attachment style.
00:43:20 — Seth gives a practical example of attachment anxiety in relationships.
00:51:40 — Discussion on how culture can misreward attachment strategies.
00:54:58 — Seth opens up about his personal struggles with mental health.
00:57:40 — Seth talks about the change in his approach to therapy.
01:03:40 — The conversation ventures into Emotion-Focused Therapy (EFT).
01:09:18 — John introduces the concept of false normativity.
01:12:10 — Exploring the role of relationships in personal growth.
01:14:00 — Announcement of a Part 2 episode focusing on dialogical practices.
01:19:00 — Vervaeke hints at a future discussion about ally work and IFS.
Dr. John Vervaeke engages in an in-depth conversation with Seth Allison, a practicing psychotherapist, to discuss attachment theory, Internal Family Systems (IFS), and their implications for mental health and relationships. The two experts start off by exploring Seth's personal journey into psychotherapy and the influences that led him to attachment theory. As they unravel the nuances of secure and anxious attachments, the pair also discuss the impact of attachment styles on relationships, parenting, and mental health interventions. With Seth sharing personal struggles and professional insights, the episode becomes an enlightening blend of narrative and knowledge. The conversation ventures into the realms of dialogical practices and wisdom cultivation, touching upon the emotional and physiological aspects of human bonding.
Resources
Seth Allison
Grow Collective: growcollective.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/seth-allison-13abb811b
John Vervaeke
Website: johnvervaeke.com
Patreon: patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: facebook.com/VervaekeJohn
X: twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: vervaekefoundation.org
Workshops
Wise Attachment – Sunday, November 12th, 2023 – 10:00am to 12:00pm EST – Event and Registration Link: awakentomeaning.com/event/wise-attachment
IFS Workshop – Sunday, December 10th, 2023 – 10:00am to 12:00pm EST – Event and Registration Link: awakentomeaning.com/event/ifs-workshop
Books
Assessing Adult Attachment: A Dynamic-Maturational Approach to Discourse Analysis - Patricia McKinsey Crittenden, Andrea Landini: amazon.com/Assessing-Adult-Attachment-Dynamic-Maturational-Professional/dp/0393706672
Timecodes
00:00:00 — Dr. John Vervaeke introduces Seth Allison and sets the stage for the episode.
00:01:01 — Seth shares his journey into psychotherapy and its influences.
00:08:38 — Seth discusses the concept of an infant's experience of hunger.
00:10:00 — Introduction to the three steps of understanding attachment theory.
00:16:20 — A deep dive into the concept of information processing in attachment.
00:20:29 — Vervaeke highlights the cultural misconceptions surrounding attachment as dependence.
00:30:15 — Seth Allison describes the emotional regulation between a mother and her child.
00:35:40 — Discussion on disconnection from internal data in children.
00:40:30 — John Vervaeke shares his personal realization of having an anxious attachment style.
00:43:20 — Seth gives a practical example of attachment anxiety in relationships.
00:51:40 — Discussion on how culture can misreward attachment strategies.
00:54:58 — Seth opens up about his personal struggles with mental health.
00:57:40 — Seth talks about the change in his approach to therapy.
01:03:40 — The conversation ventures into Emotion-Focused Therapy (EFT).
01:09:18 — John introduces the concept of false normativity.
01:12:10 — Exploring the role of relationships in personal growth.
01:14:00 — Announcement of a Part 2 episode focusing on dialogical practices.
01:19:00 — Vervaeke hints at a future discussion about ally work and IFS.





![The Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis John Vervaeke Iain McGilchrist Daniel Schmachtenberger
In this episode, John Vervaeke, Iain McGilchrist, and Daniel Schmachtenberger dive deep into the metacrisis, unraveling its intricate layers. They discuss the role of hemispheric differences in shaping human experiences and worldviews, explore the contemporary meaning crisis, and analyze how human psychology intersects with global crises. Throughout their conversation, they stress the importance of shifting from extrinsic to intrinsic purposes, critique the dominance of the left hemisphere, and advocate for wisdom-based values. The panelists also ponder the potential for a new philosophical awakening, the reinterpretation of existing religions, and the necessity of holistic education. Importantly, they emphasize the significance of nurturing beauty, embracing awe, and recognizing our sacred obligation to protect our ever-evolving reality. The dialogue provides insights into how individuals can navigate this complex landscape and contribute to a wiser, more connected world.
Iain McGilchrist: Iain McGilchrist is a renowned psychiatrist and writer known for his exploration of the brains hemispheres. His seminal work, The Master and His Emissary, delves into how the brains structure affects human behavior, culture, and society, offering insightful perspectives on the cognitive underpinnings of modern challenges.
Daniel Schmachtenberger: Daniel Schmachtenberger is a multidisciplinary thinker dedicated to addressing global existential risks. His work focuses on the intersection of technology, human psychology, and civilization dynamics. He is recognized for his deep insights into systemic health, generative societal design, and strategies for a sustainable and flourishing future.
Glossary of Terms
Metacrisis: A term encompassing various global existential risks and challenges.
Meaning Crisis: The widespread feeling of lack of meaning in modern society.
Relevance Realization: A cognitive process of determining what information is relevant in a given context.
Resources and References:
Iain McGilchrist
Website: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW0LCKUFTTtgitH33Mx6u-A
X: https://twitter.com/dr_mcgilchrist
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrIainMcGilchrist/
Daniel Schmachtenberger
Website: https://civilizationemerging.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danielschmachtenberger
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielschmachtenberger/
John Vervaeke
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation: https://vervaekefoundation.org/
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
Books
The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World - Iain McGilchrist: https://www.amazon.com/Master-His-Emissary-Divided-Western-dp-0300245920/dp/0300245920/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
How the West Really Lost God: A New Theory of Secularization - Mary Eberstadt
The Psychology of Belonging - Kelly-Ann Allen
Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis - John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Filip Miscevic
Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler
Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny - Robert Wright
Chapters with Timestamps
[00:00:00] Introduction to the Metacrisis
[00:01:04] Defining Metacrisis and Initial Thoughts
[00:08:26] The Role of Brain Hemispheres in Human Experience
[00:21:29] The Meaning Crisis in Modern Society
[00:30:45] Human Mind and Cognition in the Metacrisis
[00:39:42] Exploration of Etiology and Psychological-Environmental Interrelations
[00:58:26] Redefining Purpose: Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic
[01:08:16] Hemispheric Imbalance and Its Impact on Civilization
[01:15:25] Rebalancing Power and Wisdom in Influential Figures
[01:39:05] Navigating the Dance of Reason, Authority, and Power
[01:53:19] Imagination in Rational Thinking
[02:02:45] Philosophical Awakening and Global Issues
[02:14:55] Human Responsibility in the Evolution of the Divine
[02:34:15] Fostering Global Wisdom through Pluralism
[02:39:25] The Intersection of Religion and Scale
[02:55:29] Revitalizing Religion for Modern Challenges
[03:05:56] Reimagining Education and Institutional Structures
[03:14:24] Embracing Beauty and Sacred Obligation The Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis John Vervaeke Iain McGilchrist Daniel Schmachtenberger](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P7i1ughRGcQ/mqdefault.jpg)



![Embodiment and the Metacrisis with Rafe Kelley
John Vervaeke and Rafe Kelley join forces to explore the profound connection between movement, nature, and personal growth. Discover the transformative power of movement as it pushes physical boundaries, fosters environmental connection, and opens doors to personal evolution. Learn how Kelley integrates philosophy to build a wisdom practice that resonates not just in the mind, but deep within the body itself. Explore the challenges and rewards of connecting with nature through movement, and gain valuable insights into the future of movement culture and its potential to impact individuals and communities alike. This episode offers a thought-provoking journey for anyone seeking deeper meaning, leaving you eager to explore the transformative power of movement in your own life.
Rafe Kelley, founder of Evolve Move Play, pioneers a unique movement philosophy, merging parkour with martial arts and a deep connection to nature, fostering a holistic wisdom practice. With over two decades of teaching experience, he offers transformative retreats, workshops, and online courses worldwide. His work emphasizes the synergy between body, psyche, and environment, inviting exploration of personal potential and the sacred in movement.
Glossary of Terms
Ecology of Practices: A set of activities or habits that a group of people commit to doing together.
Parkour: A discipline focused on navigating obstacles efficiently and creatively.
Movement Culture: A broad approach to physical training that incorporates elements from various disciplines for holistic development.
John Vervaeke:
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn/
Rafe Kelley
Website: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/rafekelley
X: https://twitter.com/rafekelley
Courses: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/courses
Workshops: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/weekend-workshops/
Join our new Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
The Vervaeke Foundation - https://vervaekefoundation.org/
Awaken to Meaning - https://awakentomeaning.com/
John Vervaeke YouTube
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
Related Links
Evolve Move Play
Retreats https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/retreat
Return to the Source https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/return-to-the-source-seminar/
Mere Christianity - C. S. Lewis https://www.amazon.com/Mere-Christianity-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652926
1493: Uncovering the New World Columbus Created - Charles C. Mann https://www.amazon.com/1493-Uncovering-World-Columbus-Created/dp/0307278247/
The Wizard and the Prophet: Two Remarkable Scientists and Their Dueling Visions to Shape Tomorrows World - Charles C. Mann https://www.amazon.com/Wizard-Prophet-Remarkable-Scientists-Tomorrows/dp/0345802845
City - Clifford D. Simak https://www.amazon.com/City-Clifford-D-Simak/dp/1504013034
Happy St. Valentines Day Philosophy & Love - https://youtu.be/1vzsxpwHFWE?si=X73u9LI8VQZg33c-
CNN. (2024, January 12). Ancient city uncovered in the Amazon, shedding light on a complex civilization. CNN. Retrieved February 24, 2024 https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/americas/ancient-city-uncovered-amazon-upano-intl-scli-scn/index.html
Quotes
Discipline ultimately means to follow, and you dont discipline punitively; you discipline something by getting it oriented to something that it wants to follow. Thats an important idea. - [01:26:20] John Vervaeke
If we want to solve the meaning crisis and the meta crisis, we have to fall more in love with being. Thats not something we can do just through dialogue, its something we have to embody. - [01:43:20] Rafe Kelley
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Background of Rafe Kelley
[00:02:20] - Return to the Source Retreat Experience
[00:07:50] - Philosophical Dialogues and Wisdom Practices
[00:23:00] - Love and Reciprocal Realization
[00:33:10] - Navigating the Meaning Crisis through Derealization and Reconnection
[00:53:10] - Environmentalism and Human Interaction with Nature
[01:11:40] - Navigating Challenges and Exploring Paths Forward
[01:20:25] - Reevaluating Capitalism: A Call for Moral Revitalization
[01:25:00] - Love, Discipline, and the Sacred
[01:37:20] - Exploring Embodiment and the Sacred Embodiment and the Metacrisis with Rafe Kelley](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PVJztMRSeek/mqdefault.jpg)
![Transforming Lives Through Relational Practices | Tataya Bailey and Rachel Hayden
Tataya Bailey is the founder and lead trainer of Prisma Leadership, combining her law degree, multiple yoga certifications, and over two decades of facilitation experience to create a unique leadership approach rooted in integrity and connection.
Rachel Hayden is a magpie of the Liminal Web, and occasional collaborator with people like John, Gregg Henriques, and Alexander Bard. Her background includes somatics, meditative and contemplative practice, and peer-based mental health
How can we heal and transform ourselves through embodied practices and the relational field? In this episode of Voices with Vervaeke, Tataya Bailey and Rachel Hayden join John Vervaeke to explore the transformative power of relational practices on personal growth and healing. They delve into the balance between structure and spontaneity, discuss handling trauma, and emphasize the significance of attention and attunement in fostering authentic connections. This episode highlights the beauty of human connection and the endless possibilities for transformation.
Support Johns groundbreaking work and gain exclusive access to live Q&A sessions, early video releases, and more by joining our Patreon community! https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke
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I discovered capacities in me that I didnt even know I had. - Tataya Bailey [00:06:30]
The experiences ranged from incredibly profound and bequeathing of a new dharma for me, all the way to working through shadow stuff, having alternate childhood experiences, and working through archetypal symbolism and tribal imagery between people. It was all like welcome there, and it was all material for that relationality, which I found so beautiful and so accessible to me. - Rachel Hayden [00:12:00]
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00:00 Introduction: Exploring Relational Practices
08:35 Rachel’s Prisma Experience: Embracing Vulnerability and Transformation
13:45 The Structure and Values of Prisma: Balancing Spontaneity and Containment
21:10 How Prisma Unlocks Relational Potential: Recovering Lost Parts and Deepening Connection
40:05 Attention and Attunement: Harmonizing Individuation and Participation
43:50 The Musicality of Relational Practices: The Dance of Metaphors and Sacred Rituals
50:50 Navigating Trauma and Safety in Relational Work
01:00:00 Embracing Discomfort: The Journey from Propositional to Participatory Connection
01:04:50 Re-exaptation and the Imaginal: The Role of Aporia in Transformative Practices
01:12:10 Final Thoughts and Future Aspirations
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Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. https://awakentomeaning.com/
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Ideas, Authors, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Alanja Forsberg - Avalon Community
Alexander Bard
Seth Allison - IFS
James Carse - Infinite Game
Andrew Huberman
Kerry Ressler
Robert Kegan
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Thank you for watching! Transforming Lives Through Relational Practices | Tataya Bailey and Rachel Hayden](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QUn183ksjJo/mqdefault.jpg)