PurpleSun | [TAS Demo] SMG2: Honeybloom 1 in 1:23.35 @PurpleSunTAS | Uploaded 4 years ago | Updated 2 hours ago
This is based on the in-game timer, which stops during the life counter scene.
This branched off the Secret TAS up to the first swing.
I tried a few strategies for the first walljump section, and in the end, the strategy used ended up 0.5s faster than the generally used strat.
Bounce off the Goomba, get as much height from it and a spin, and then use a bit of neutral walljump strain to get up onto the ledge with enough speed to long jump.
The long jump takes a while to come back down, so it's faster to spin, but the spin doesn't land on the next ledge enough to instantly backflip, so a walljump and a quick spin is faster, getting onto the ledge with the Bee and backflipping without needing to spin up to the higher ledge.
I didn't try many ideas in the next section, but was happy with what turned out, with sideflips getting warped up by the flower platforms to be high enough to get onto the clouds without landing inbetween them.
A crouch spin knocked the wall at the start of the next section, which grabbed the lower part of the vine slightly faster than just dropping or jumping down.
Not much was tried out in the bouncy section.
I didn't realise that spinning allowed you to turn on poles faster, so there's some improvement to be had with that one pole.
In order to squeeze between the copter enemy and the wall, I had to press A on P2 before targeting the enemy so that P2 would jump up and be a bit closer to the enemy.
Then I managed to get an angled walljump off the wall (not really sure how) so that it would go up in the small gap between the enemy and wall, and push through. This saved 0.6s seconds.
Then there was the OoB. The vines move towards the camera, so if you reach them where they're outside the 2D restriction, you can go past them. This allows you to fly all the way to the final section. However, there's invisible collision that prevents you from getting into the section, and because you are still restricted by 2D, you can't move left or right.
But P2 can grab the checkpoint as the camera pans around, so you can die and respawn in the section. You no longer have Bee suit, so you can move through the section much faster.
This saves 6 seconds over going through normally with Bee.
However, if you don't go for OoB, you can just take damage to lose Bee suit and go faster, which is the fastest strat.
Just as with Supermassive GS3, the checkpoint strat is slower than the fastest strat in real time, by 1.02s, but it is faster for in-game time, by 0.98s.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun
This is based on the in-game timer, which stops during the life counter scene.
This branched off the Secret TAS up to the first swing.
I tried a few strategies for the first walljump section, and in the end, the strategy used ended up 0.5s faster than the generally used strat.
Bounce off the Goomba, get as much height from it and a spin, and then use a bit of neutral walljump strain to get up onto the ledge with enough speed to long jump.
The long jump takes a while to come back down, so it's faster to spin, but the spin doesn't land on the next ledge enough to instantly backflip, so a walljump and a quick spin is faster, getting onto the ledge with the Bee and backflipping without needing to spin up to the higher ledge.
I didn't try many ideas in the next section, but was happy with what turned out, with sideflips getting warped up by the flower platforms to be high enough to get onto the clouds without landing inbetween them.
A crouch spin knocked the wall at the start of the next section, which grabbed the lower part of the vine slightly faster than just dropping or jumping down.
Not much was tried out in the bouncy section.
I didn't realise that spinning allowed you to turn on poles faster, so there's some improvement to be had with that one pole.
In order to squeeze between the copter enemy and the wall, I had to press A on P2 before targeting the enemy so that P2 would jump up and be a bit closer to the enemy.
Then I managed to get an angled walljump off the wall (not really sure how) so that it would go up in the small gap between the enemy and wall, and push through. This saved 0.6s seconds.
Then there was the OoB. The vines move towards the camera, so if you reach them where they're outside the 2D restriction, you can go past them. This allows you to fly all the way to the final section. However, there's invisible collision that prevents you from getting into the section, and because you are still restricted by 2D, you can't move left or right.
But P2 can grab the checkpoint as the camera pans around, so you can die and respawn in the section. You no longer have Bee suit, so you can move through the section much faster.
This saves 6 seconds over going through normally with Bee.
However, if you don't go for OoB, you can just take damage to lose Bee suit and go faster, which is the fastest strat.
Just as with Supermassive GS3, the checkpoint strat is slower than the fastest strat in real time, by 1.02s, but it is faster for in-game time, by 0.98s.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun
![[TAS Demo] SMG2: Honeybloom 1 in 1:23.35](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7UL0mMjUSrE/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS Demo] SMG2: Honeybloom 1 in 1:23.35
This is based on the in-game timer, which stops during the life counter scene.
This branched off the Secret TAS up to the first swing.
I tried a few strategies for the first walljump section, and in the end, the strategy used ended up 0.5s faster than the generally used strat.
Bounce off the Goomba, get as much height from it and a spin, and then use a bit of neutral walljump strain to get up onto the ledge with enough speed to long jump.
The long jump takes a while to come back down, so its faster to spin, but the spin doesnt land on the next ledge enough to instantly backflip, so a walljump and a quick spin is faster, getting onto the ledge with the Bee and backflipping without needing to spin up to the higher ledge.
I didnt try many ideas in the next section, but was happy with what turned out, with sideflips getting warped up by the flower platforms to be high enough to get onto the clouds without landing inbetween them.
A crouch spin knocked the wall at the start of the next section, which grabbed the lower part of the vine slightly faster than just dropping or jumping down.
Not much was tried out in the bouncy section.
I didnt realise that spinning allowed you to turn on poles faster, so theres some improvement to be had with that one pole.
In order to squeeze between the copter enemy and the wall, I had to press A on P2 before targeting the enemy so that P2 would jump up and be a bit closer to the enemy.
Then I managed to get an angled walljump off the wall (not really sure how) so that it would go up in the small gap between the enemy and wall, and push through. This saved 0.6s seconds.
Then there was the OoB. The vines move towards the camera, so if you reach them where theyre outside the 2D restriction, you can go past them. This allows you to fly all the way to the final section. However, theres invisible collision that prevents you from getting into the section, and because you are still restricted by 2D, you cant move left or right.
But P2 can grab the checkpoint as the camera pans around, so you can die and respawn in the section. You no longer have Bee suit, so you can move through the section much faster.
This saves 6 seconds over going through normally with Bee.
However, if you dont go for OoB, you can just take damage to lose Bee suit and go faster, which is the fastest strat.
Just as with Supermassive GS3, the checkpoint strat is slower than the fastest strat in real time, by 1.02s, but it is faster for in-game time, by 0.98s.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #ToolAssistedSpeedrun")
![[TAS demo, outdated] Yoshi Star 1 remount route in 1:14.48](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8n_X3TSfRa4/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS demo, outdated] Yoshi Star 1 remount route in 1:14.48
UPDATE 16/04/21: Shadow64 has improved on this TAS by 1.13s (68 frames) in his Any% WIP: https://youtu.be/FcKMJvuMtRw
After Nemi43 found the remount technique in The Perfect Run (https://youtu.be/H5WwNh_GIwg), people theorised using it for other levels including this one.
Really_Tall suggested it to me on my Yoshi Star GS3 TAS as well, but from what I had tested back then, I couldnt get enough distance out of the first flutter to make it, and couldnt get the first-frame jump either. It didnt look like it would be faster, either.
Happy to prove myself wrong, though, with a better understanding of backwards speed after redoing The Perfect Run. Still dont understand the factor that lets you jump after remounting but it happened here.
Need to optimise both this and normal route but its looking like this would save 5 or 6 seconds in Any%. Maybe 2 or 3 in Greens? Its hard to tell from the Comet Medal detour.
This is on a new file so its got Mario, cutscenes, and Yoshi dialogue.
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![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Gravity Gauntlet Comet in 23.56s [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9NSPlwwCMsI/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Gravity Gauntlet Comet in 23.56s [Luigi]
Luigi wanders behind the castle to beat the Speed Run Comet in 23.56 seconds [IGT, 1414 frames].
UPDATE (2/Jan/22): This has been improved by a run with Mario and cutscenes (so could be improved even further): https://youtu.be/LiKBqANRrDE
The triple jump into the fireball is actually faster than going through normally. It sets up a long jump chain that curves nicely over the next curve and ducks under the firebars.
Triple jumping up the Magikoopas wall is the fastest method too, due to the fast vertical speed.
On the spiky pillar, you can walk on a spike, which allows you to run around the sloped dome without slipping.
I found out by accident that you can get a regular single jump when jumping off the very edge of the pillar, and in turn found that you can long jump as well. This is a 3-frame window so its not absurdly precise.
I then messed about with spinning and found a gravity change that puts you on the back wall of the castle, allowing you to reach the end of the wheel section that finishes up this star.
I made this TAS after finding this out, and tested it against the fast lava boost strat done earlier. Originally it looked like this would save just 2 seconds, but with the optimised movement and star grab, its ~4.5 seconds, plus the 0.88 seconds saved not having a coin textbox in the post-level menuing.
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![[TAS] SMG2: Yoshi Star Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9yTU0eEGgQs/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Yoshi Star Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
For star order, there is very little difference between the stars, with the long jumping at the start being the only thing affected by cutscenes (due to land cancel making Luigis starting position different).
GS3s cutscene difference was only 1 frame better off than GS1, and only 2f better than GS2.
Green Star 3 - 55.10 IGT - 5:41.78 real-time split (1:53.15 segment)
Long jump bonking into the spring causes a very fast spring jump which is enough to bounce off the Magikoopa and save time over bouncing off the Luma and long jumping. Qr1pt1k found that strat.
A new strat was found for the first flutter into the remount: with good speed and the right trajectory, you can get rapid bounces off the fruit, getting an instant triple bounce that accelerates to 32 hspd.
Backwards fluttering keeps constant speed in a straight line, unlike sideways fluttering that, as you see after the remount, travels in a curve with speed fluctuating between 32 when fluttering and 34 when dropping.
The only issue is the moving platform cycles are really bad compared to going the normal way, so some fluttering is needed; overall the remount saves ~6.5 seconds.
Green Star 2 - 18.91 IGT - 6:44.30 real-time split (1:02.52 segment)
Compared with my old TAS from 2019 (a 19.93), the different long jump route took the same amount of time while setting up a better angle for after the Luma bounce.
Starbits were used to knock the flipbug further out for a better triple bounce sequence. Its horizontal knockback slows down with multiple bits, so using the 3rd starbit would have made no useful difference.
Improving from the old TAS, I managed to get the triple bounce without needing to spin onto the Octogoomba, saving nearly 1 whole second, with the last few long jumps making up the final improvements.
Green Star 1 - 14.43 IGT - 7:42.33 real-time split (58.03 segment)
A running speed long jump happened at some point early in the long jump sequence (couldnt figure out where, rsljs are so confusing, perhaps either on the hill a few ljs in, or on the weird edge of the rocks over the hill). This means Luigi doesnt slow down as much as normal when landing.
It turns out that, if you keep on landing long jumps without holding Z, or long jump immediately when landing, you can keep that running speed landing for a few more long jumps, and even then into a single jump.
This was necessary to keep more speed into the triple jump sequence, which saved 0.2s overall.
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![[TAS] SMG2: Freezy Flake Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A-y_PuHR_VM/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Freezy Flake Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
Star order doesnt matter here, although it almost did with a slower GS2 strat involving the flying ? block.
Green Star 2 - 37.95 IGT - 1:00:59.31 real-time split (1:34.05 segment)
A longer description of this star can be found here: https://youtu.be/j_J_UWSEdpM
The first launch star is a balance of optimisation for the earliest statue break while still being able to get to the launch star on its first active frame. The strat used was fastest by 29 frames, and also is good enough to enter the launch star at 0spd which somehow makes the instawalk 5 frames faster.
With certain movement, conical or jagged slopes can cause some very buggy fast slides for a frame or two, leading to glitchy slope jumps. These slope jumps have a fixed speed and angle trajectory.
As with Tall Trunks slide, the path you take doesnt matter, until the end where exiting upside down causes Luigi to face backwards, leading to a smooth pipe strat 35 frames faster than a forward exit.
Another glitchy slope jump on the Goomba statue, but couldnt get one at that speed with a better trajectory than hitting the lava near the end. This strat is 1.4s faster than a normal long jump route.
Green Star 1 - 20.43 IGT - 1:02:03.06 real-time split (1:03.75 segment)
Because of the different set up not having to detour to the Fire Flower, the glitchy slope jump gets a straighter trajectory. Speed is conserved in the single and continues into the double jump after breaking the Bowser statue, being fast and high enough to land on the ledge to the slide.
Green Star 3 - 10.43 IGT - 1:03:08.66 real-time split (1:05.60 segment)
Adjusting for cutscene difference, this is an improvement of roughly 3 seconds to my TAS from 2021: https://youtu.be/K5xMO-TfyCI
For details on the rock mid-air jumps, heres Joselles doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13HenHN3IA2mQih2k8Ve_VZdK-yIoX8fnXB2g2eMaZGM/edit
Most of the timesave comes from a completely direct route to the star rather than the mid-air turn from the previous TAS.
Remaining timesave comes from understanding how horizontal speed works with rock jumps: its a simple case of waiting between each jump, lower vertical speed causes higher horizontal speed. With this in mind, I steady out at 59-60 hspd jumping when yspd drops to -20, which hovers just above the DeathArea.
SMG TASing server: https://discord.gg/h2YSCZm
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![[TAS] SMG2: Tall Trunk GS2 in 21.70s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A_dVxMJYqYo/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Tall Trunk GS2 in 21.70s
Green Stars TAS WIP
Plan is to upload this now, GS1 as a Short to test that out, then both with GS3 which might take a while as I have not tested anything prior for sliding mechanics.
21.70s IGT - 49:36.31 real-time split (1:19.78 segment)
An improvement over this 2020 TAS by -1.08s: https://youtu.be/JawBPjpTBXU
Star order between this and GS1 comes down to how their first planet routes work with a land cancel.
GS2 benefits much more as the land cancel can combine with an instant sideflip for a faster start.
This sideflip strat is 0.3s faster than a mega double jump walljump spin up to that ledge, which is also faster than a triple jump.
The run-up to the long jump had to be a bit wavy in order to have a good facing angle for the instant sideflip to be able to walljump.
Instant sideflips are done by holding Z and backwards to facing angle, and pressing A on the frame of landing. Sometimes this doesnt work, particularly when landing on an edge; havent quite figured out why and how to reliably fix it.
At the top, neutral landing allowed for an instant long jump into the launch star.
This whole route was more than a second faster than doing a mega triple jump.
On the second planet, it isnt possible to jump land cancel, which would have made it even faster to do a small jump to set up the two backflips. With camera cancel, this is only 2 frames faster than a backflip spin at the start into another backflip.
As found in the 2020 TAS, there is a little bit of wiggling about required after ground pounding to set up a backflip that gets an unusual speed boost off the ceiling.
Yoshiless was only 6 frames faster than using Yoshi. You can see what Yoshi strats look like here: https://twitter.com/PurpleSunSR/status/1596573885084102656
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![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Battle Belt Green Star 3 in 1:42.25](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C1RfkOBAQ8o/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Battle Belt Green Star 3 in 1:42.25
Luigi and P2 beat up groups of enemies to collect a Green Star in 1 minute 42.25 seconds [IGT, 6135 frames].
I actually made this a little while ago, but irl work and the TAS competition and the ABC World 1 project shoved this to the side.
There is already a confirmed improvement to this, which is better shell movement for the leftwards Boos, saving at least 4 frames.
Also using starbits on the Goombas would be significantly better. I forgot about that.
At the start, it is actually slightly faster to go over the top of the planet to hit the mini Goomba, however, that route leaves the starbit out of the camera shot, so it cant be used for the next planet. Therefore, bottom route is faster in the long run.
On the second planet, I was able to P2 spin the farthest Lil Cinder and starbit hit it on the same frame, instantly breaking it.
For the next three planets (plus Shroomship), nemis crabber HGP (https://youtu.be/_hEkLhRqQyA?t=22) is a few seconds faster than taking the Fire Flower all the way to the pumpkin Goombas.
This is helped by being able to freeze the crabber in place rather than having to spin its guard up.
Getting a swish straight into the sling star was a bit faster than ground pounding once in the ships gravity.
The pumpkin Goomba route seems like it can be improved: the positions of the Goombas are affected by how quickly you do the first few planets.
Having P2 break the pumpkins of two Goombas was useful to throw the Goombas closer to each other, but it may actually be less useful for defeating them.
With the remaining pumpkin Goomba, I was able to perform a falling ground pound, where Luigi starts a ground pound at the same time as interacting with an NPC sphere; this then causes the push effect (seen with crystal floats) to force Luigi to fall while in the ground pound animation. [Disclaimer: This is just a theory]
This technique could potentially be faster on the other pumpkin Goombas, rather than dealing with them as regular Goombas, however I did completely forget there were starbits I couldve used.
I couldnt manage to long jump onto the edge of the pipe without missing it or bonking into it, so a single jump was faster.
As stated before, the Boo section could be slightly faster. Its a struggle to get this done quickly as, while turning, the shells light goes into 3D so any Boo that seems like its crossing the beam is actually off to the side on the Z-axis.
The improvement comes from braking earlier *after* turning around to have a tighter turning cycle to finish off the remaining Boos faster.
The first and third Lil Brrs were extinguished by using P2 spins, and then smashed by Luigi.
The second Lil Brr was extinguished with an invisible skating spin - I dont know why Luigi didnt twirl, but it was definitely a spin from Luigi that got the Lil Brr. P2 then smashed it just before it went out of shot.
Recently looking for improvements, I attempted to get the Undergrunts with a backwards bounce off the dirt and a second bounce into a ground pound - this hit them at exactly the same time as the normal strat that I used in the video.
I tried backwards strats while getting the key but they didnt turn out faster than a simple run, and then a long jump onto the edge of the pipe (this one worked out, why couldnt the other one? aaaaaaa)
P2 couldnt do anything useful with the Swaphoppers. Instead, I bounced on the second one as gravity changed, spun to have less airtime, and then long jumped around the top to the third. Long jumping around the bottom was only slower by a few frames.
I tried to backwards spin directly to the pipe after bouncing off the third hopper, but the spin always carried forwards momentum. It ended up being faster to ground pound and then backwards spin out of a jump.
I tried to do a falling ground pound too, but it didnt work out.
As speedrunners know, a backwards bounce to the sling star is fastest.
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![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Rightside Down GS1 in 45.28s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CdOdK9QOn4U/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Rightside Down GS1 in 45.28s
Luigi fireballs his way to a Green Star in 45.28 seconds [IGT, 2717 frames].
Many of the strats were adapted and altered from nemis IL run: https://youtu.be/OK u7dJL0Y
UPDATE: Yaasd suggested a backwards bounce at 0:28 that continues down below the lifting platforms, and its an improvement of 0.5s: https://youtu.be/3t_9nZJqyJk
For the fall down to the flower, I performed an instant wall release by grabbing the very bottom of the wall, so far down that the game thinks Luigi should slide off it instantly. This lets me keep the same backwards angle but resets falling speed so I can make it straight to the flower. This technique is also used in Honeyhive Cosmic races: https://youtu.be/tOT9CZDjyzc
Spinning after the backflip might improve the next part as, from what I remember, spinning has slightly faster backwards speed as a backflip, although too much speed would overshoot the double Goomba bouncing which is done for even more speed overall.
P2 is useful for holding the Paragoomba in place to bounce off it without having to spin.
The moving platform is really awkward because of the small gaps to fall through - holding neutral will automatically grab a ledge (but I dont remember testing up or down, believing it would have the same result because 2D)
So I decided to fall and hold left to wallslide off the platform and be turned around at the bottom. This meant I could fall backwards to the Thwomp section, using the other moving platform as a ceiling that stopped a spin going so high and landing later.
To get to the Fire Flower, I found a quick spin after a walljump on the left was slightly faster than walljumping from the right.
The fireball section itself could use some improvement; looking back at some of the movement, its very clunky.
However, I am satisfied with what happened between 0:44 and 0:47, with a sideflip and fireball angle change that interacted with the falling crate in such a way that Luigi grabbed and instantly climbed the ledge on the right. This allowed for a quick backflip to the gravity flip, although this might not be the best strat as it meant I had to throw two fireballs at the next pile of crates instead of just one, due to the lack of forward momentum with the fireball angle change that wasnt enough to long jump and escape the falling crates.
Finally, I triple jump off a crate and walljump off-screen, holding neutral as soon as Luigi jumps to bypass the restricted walljump speed (a trick known as neutral walljump strain), so I could get more forward speed by holding right, enough to be able to triple fireball into the star.
This strat saved 8 frames over the normal strat of entering 3D and long jumping back in. You might not be able to see whats going on but sometimes a little mystery is nice in a TAS.
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