PurpleSun | SMG: Bowser's Dark Matter Plant (LOTAD) @PurpleSunTAS | Uploaded 10 months ago | Updated 2 hours ago
Just throwing some ideas around.
Start was kinda based off some movement from an ancient DMP collab freerun between Xander and Nim many eons ago. There's probably something even better in those old runs (I have just seen a clip of Nim's unfinished TAS and yes).
Triple jump up to clip spot was found by Tibs I think?
Skip into 2nd gravity section was found by nemi43: youtu.be/51a5mExWWg8?feature=shared
Not sure who discovered the 2P version of the final skip, but here is a slower 1P version from many years ago: youtu.be/J6wmJIeUoj0?feature=shared
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Just throwing some ideas around.
Start was kinda based off some movement from an ancient DMP collab freerun between Xander and Nim many eons ago. There's probably something even better in those old runs (I have just seen a clip of Nim's unfinished TAS and yes).
Triple jump up to clip spot was found by Tibs I think?
Skip into 2nd gravity section was found by nemi43: youtu.be/51a5mExWWg8?feature=shared
Not sure who discovered the 2P version of the final skip, but here is a slower 1P version from many years ago: youtu.be/J6wmJIeUoj0?feature=shared
#supermariogalaxy #toolassistedspeedrun
![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy: Dusty Dune 3 in 1:55.43 [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/saMCD7QtOAQ/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy: Dusty Dune 3 in 1:55.43 [Luigi]
Luigi ascends the sunbaked sand castle in 1 minute 55.43 seconds [6926 frames].
This emulates a full game run watching cutscenes, which is a deficit of ~12s to IL runs.
I couldnt find a way to get a land cancel at the start, despite trying 20 different frames and different angles too.
The autoscroller skip was first attempted by SamuelJH: https://youtu.be/iT_MJ_5e2ew
The bounciness of the button added momentum to the backflip.
To emulate a full game run, I avoided the coin. The detour loses 9 frames, but would save time on menuing after the star.
At the top of the autoscroller section, I did a megasideflip, which needed a certain Luigi position and camera position to go so high which is why it took a small run-up. It isnt necessary for Luigi, as a triple jump + 2P jump is barely possible, but it is faster.
The megasideflip was first done here: https://youtu.be/wsh07wMnjRk?&t=62
Spinning out of the sand on the next planet was 3 frames faster than jumping out.
I was originally going to do the star chips skip: https://youtu.be/dVHRYC7NwA8
But when messing about, I found that it was possible to escape the sand at the edge of the planet by using an ABC technique of facing away from the wall, spinning to get knockback, and holding backwards into the wall to get a second higher knockback. This let me grab the wall so I could walljump onto the rim.
This trick alone saves 1 second, but in the process of finding it, I also found that, by long jumping onto the secret stars planet, you can long jump all the way to the Pokey-coconut section, completely skipping the spiny plants planet, saving another 6.5 seconds.
I had to carefully change the angles for the few frames before spin cancel long jumping into the coconut to get a trajectory that ended up close to the Pokey and didnt get pulled back by the quicksand current.
A spin cancel long jump into the Pokeys head was 6 frames faster than bouncing on it.
As the launch star takes some time to be usable, I did a co-star jump for fun.
Inside the glass castle, spin cancel long jumps dont break the boxes so I had to get a little creative.
Spin cancel jumps were useless as they got knocked back all the time, but spinning just before reaching the box avoids knockback, so this was the way forward.
For the first one, I did a backflip spin to have backwards momentum onto the second step, from which I could do a backflip 2P jump up to the higher ledge before the cutscene.
Another important thing here was doing spin cancel ground pounds (aka frame perfect ground pounds) to be able to do 2P jumps next to walls without getting knockback.
Some of the movement here could use some more work but overall Im satisfied with it.
At 1:51 I did a long jump spin to get on the ramp earlier, as a long jump on this ramp lands right in the front of the box. Squeezing a fast long jump in like that was fast.
At 1:58 I pressed Z when spinning to get a sort of spin-cancel crouch-uncrouch thing that prevented knockback and allowed me to backflip as soon as possible.
Spinning into the star saved 1 frame.
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![[TAS] SMG2: Beat Block GS1 in 0xA Presses [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/szymKcrHmJM/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Beat Block GS1 in 0xA Presses [Luigi]
Triple bouncing off a Goombeetle means you dont have to press A in the level to grab this Green Star.
This was already proven as Mario by Bloopiero: https://youtu.be/VrkH-Vz2PVU
But we like to have videos of both characters performing a level, so I made this.
The Goombeetle freezes in place when the blocks change, and then drops to the ground when it reappears, which makes it easier to get it in position from its starting block, but makes the overall play much slower.
Interestingly, you can land on it just before it turns back over and it wont get squashed.
Also, a technique I used in this was ground pounding inside a thin floor to regain my spin.
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![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Space Storm Green Star 2 in 15.11s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tT7OmwDp0vg/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Space Storm Green Star 2 in 15.11s
Luigi ascends part of the Topmans tower to collect a Green Star in 15.11 seconds [IGT, 907 frames].
Continuing on with the backlog of unrecorded TASes, this follows the IL route (https://youtu.be/M_gzDrRwpG8).
The first cutscene played as part of cutscene cycle testing, although aside from the Amps (dealt with by P2) and pull star circle, cycles didnt affect this star. Letting the second cutscene play out is faster as you can grab the pull star planet just before the in-game timer starts.
The pull stars could do with more work (at the time of writing after uploading this, I improved it by 9 frames). I didnt spend much time on them before as this run was for cycle tests and the cycles of the pull stars and amps have no difference between GS2 and GS3.
Momentum was carried from the scrolling floor, which meant a lot more braking was needed from the second long jump to avoid going too fast to get an instant backflip.
Neutral walljump strain was used on the backflip to be closer to the ledge, and though the landing looks a bit slow, the edge of that ledge isnt good for walking on, so it meant later long jump times.
An instant backflip into the star was 3 frames faster than a single jump or long jump spin (spins can cause unusually late star grabs when too close, as well as sometimes unusually early ones).
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![[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Gravity Gauntlet Green Star 2 in 22.50s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t_XlCtFpokg/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] Super Mario Galaxy 2: Gravity Gauntlet Green Star 2 in 22.50s
Luigi lavaboosts towards a Green Star with P2 playing healer in 22.50 seconds [IGT, 1350 frames].
This is an interesting level for overall routing.
The usual strat is to use only the coin to heal and just do 3 boosts and land near the first Whomp. But, there is a way to pull back far enough to get an extra boost, allowing for fast lava boost speed up towards the star.
Because of the use of the Life Mushroom, this strat is ~0.7s slower in in-game time than the usual one.
However, this strat would mean no coins required, which would save 0.88s in menuing post-level, but specifically in a 242 run; a Green Stars run starts on a file with 9999 coins so coin textboxes never appear.
Ideally, we could try to get a second coin mid-boosting, however, the Magikoopa takes too long to kill. The coin I grabbed is the only other coin that is accessible, but it goes off camera literally 1 frame before P2 would pick it up, and theres no way to manipulate the camera in that scenario.
Moving further down or up to get a different coin would cost too much time.
Why cant P2 just grab multiple coins smh
Oh, as for the other strats, this is not optimised for in-game time as hitting the fireballs at the start would be slightly faster than the triple jump if they were a bit further in their cycle.
The weirdly low spin before the lava boosting was a mid-air Z spin cancel except it didnt cancel the spin animation but did cancel the properties so there was no knockback against the wall and not as much height gained.
The tilted triple jump to the star was ~0.2s faster than long jumping on and backflipping.
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![[TAS] SMG: Freezeflame Secret reaching the summit without Fire Flower](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t_c1OOvRAG0/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG: Freezeflame Secret reaching the summit without Fire Flower
I will note here that Nim (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG_b-lywDked3HfbZQXU8Gw) had spent several hours TASing this challenge with different methods, and that his last attempt did reach the sloped area at 0:46 before having to stop. As this was a simple final stretch, he already had it in the bag but hasnt had the ability to TAS recently.
Skip to 0:28 for the good stuff, I messed about with different slope jump ideas for a little bit beforehand.
Freezeflame Secret was the next most likely star to be proven itemless/transformationless, with walljumps being really close to getting up to the secret area to skip the sling star.
Freezeflame Purple Coins is free as there is no black hole covering the easiest route (slope jumping up from Baron Brrs arena). But there is a black hole here.
The main tricks here are an outer corner walljump and a hard-angled walljump, both aided by neutral walljump strain.
An outer corner walljump mirrors the well-known inner corner/90 degree walljump trick - rather than straining left or right to angle a walljump *towards* a 90 degree wall to grab it, you instead angle the walljump *away* from a 270 degree? wall.
By going neutral on the joystick after walljumping, you bypass a fixed speed and can strain harder than before.
The hard-angled walljump is done exactly like a 90 degree walljump.
Getting through the secret area itemless is the common speedrun route. For fun, I tried a weird route from the snowman, managing to get three walljumps off the same wall - first was normal, but the second was an adjoining walljump aka double walljump, where you grab a wall right at the joining between two perpendicular (inward corner) walls. You kick off one wall, but the game likely reads you as kicking off the other wall, as you can then regrab the kicked wall, which led to the third walljump.
#SuperMarioGalaxy")
![[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Green Stars](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/thBX2MD5tpA/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Flip-Swap Green Stars
Green Stars TAS WIP
Star order has no actual time difference, however, the cycles of the electric fences are slightly different, being further behind with cutscenes.
This has no time difference because it can be manipulated by turning the camera away or freezing with P2, but to make things easier, I chose GS1 first so the cycles dont need manip for GS2.
Green Star 1 - 6.56 IGT - 8:45.50 real-time split (1:03.17 segment)
Nothing big of note here if youre used to the speedrun strat; the spin cancel jump setup is slightly faster than spinning off the edge, as it gets the flip panel jump earlier and gets a lower jump to touch the star earlier.
Green Star 2 - 16.71 IGT - 9:45.68 real-time split (1:00.18 segment)
Buffered crouch acceleration is used at the start - this is where you hold Z until the first frame you gain control. Luigi quickly crouches and stands back up, getting a little bit of a kickstart in running.
As Mario, this would allow you to long jump 1 frame earlier, but that doesnt work for Luigi (which is why it isnt particularly useful in a lot of stars), however he does get up to top speed a bit faster. This helps to run to the optimal long jump spot 2f earlier.
From there, its simply a long jump to the next set of red panels, and a chain of flip-panel jumps to the star.
P2 was used to hit the checkpoint so that Luigi wouldnt lose speed hitting it with the spin to panel jump.")
![[TAS] SMG: Gusty Garden 1 in 1:12.43 (Luigi)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u4hAFpTUsRk/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG: Gusty Garden 1 in 1:12.43 (Luigi)
Luigi zooms off flowers to a star in 1:12.43 (real-time, from star select to star get cutscene).
Could be some more improvements but Im happy enough with what I did to call it a proper TAS.
The floaty fluff boost was found by Tackleshift: https://twitter.com/tackleshift8/status/1651605488528953344
It requires you to wait a little for the fluff to rise before riding, and then 2P jumping into it. The boost seems to be timing-dependent as waiting too long wont get it.
The first boost was much more vertical than expected, and might actually be able to skip a planet but I didnt try it out enough, and it loses a lot of speed quickly whereas keeping the regular path has a lot of speed overall.
I let go early to conserve as much speed as possible in backwards falling, and then used backwards momentum again on the next planet to swing around and bounce on the Piranha plant.
Momentum was used again to bounce off the Piranhas on the next planet.
The last boost led to two possibilities - 1. get back to the windstream and go all the way to the half-sand planet or 2. hop off early to keep speed over to the Piranhas. The latter turned out to be 40f faster, despite the former being able to immediately set up a fast triple jump from hopping off the fluff and landing in neutral.
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![[TAS] SMG2: Honeybloom Secret in 6xA Presses [Luigi]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u8YwkbMHRnE/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Honeybloom Secret in 6xA Presses [Luigi]
Luigi hops up a few times to the tree and star in 6 A presses.
The A presses are to:
#1: Jump off the swing
#2: Walljump to the starbit alcove
#3-6: Walljump to the tree
With careful starbit shooting, the Goombas can be moved about to bounce off and get up to the swing 0xA.
P2 could be used to grab and hold the coin grabbed from swinging, which would save a menuing A press after the star.
Optimising the height of the swing jump and first walljump is enough to land on the ledge in the alcove, although it is not very tight as you are also able to glitchy ledgegrab there.
A spin from there is just enough height to save needing an extra walljump going to the top, and neutral walljump strain is used to get little bits of extra height, although that was unnecessary in the end.
To grab the star, the ground around the pond/puddle has slippery slopes, and one particular slope cuts off near the bottom so it puts Luigi in the air to spin into the star.
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![[TAS] SMG2: Cosmic Cove GS3 in 3xA Presses [Mario]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uPzcwFYrmLo/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMG2: Cosmic Cove GS3 in 3xA Presses [Mario]
The A presses are:
#1: Sideflip up the bubble-spawning walls
#2: Wallkick up those walls
#3: Backflip up from the first platform in the 3rd area
This run also takes a death to remove coins, which would save an A press in the post-star textboxes.
The key trick in this level is weak shake water jumping, where, as you can spin out of water by shaking at the surface, you can also jump out by lightly shaking the Wiimote/Nunchuk.
To help with this, there is also jump state storage, as well as long jumping out of water by jumping and pressing Z at the surface.
By holding Z or sliding into water, you store a long jump state or sideflip state respectively, and can do these jumps out of water, and can combine them with weak shaking to get long jumps and sideflips without pressing A.
You can also weak shake at the surface and press Z on the same frame to long jump, which is what I do to grab the star.
Luigi can already do this 2xA, but it is good to get an idea of what Mario can and cant do. This was previously 4xA as Mario, so an A press was saved, that press being long jumping to the star.
Luigi can skip the 3rd A press with some spin knockback jank, but I have no idea if Mario can do this and theres no video of the strat to show how to do it.
But it may actually be the case that Mario can do this, and the 3rd A press that was previously counted was in fact getting over the spiky plant after the wallkick section, which would mean Mario is also 2xA for this level, and ties Luigi for GS2 (2xA) and the second regular star (3xA) as well.
Also, at the start of the level, I went to the icy waterfall to get bumped up into the air, which removed hard landing state, allowing me to control the spin knockback used to bounce on the Lil Brr.
#SuperMarioGalaxy2 #AButtonChallenge")
