Ranking #2 at Every LoL Role. The Mid Lane Answer Is DANGEROUS

Uploaded May 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

Thorin, Nymaera, and Peter Dun debate the all-time second best League of Legends player by role, with Thorin putting Rookie above Faker as the greatest mid laner ever.

The crew opens with ADC, where Deft sits as the consensus #1 but the panel splits on Viper vs Ruler for second. Canyon and Score top the jungle discussion with Peanut and Karsa on the shortlist. Support is the clearest call of the episode: Keria #1, Meiko #2, with Ming, Mata, and Beryl below the threshold. Top lane generates one of the longer debates, with TheShy as the agreed #1 and Kiin, Smeb, and Bin competing for second. Then mid lane arrives. Thorin argues that Rookie is not just the second best mid laner but the first, placing Faker at #2 based on level of play across a career spent propping up weaker rosters. The role-by-role analysis closes with the overall second best player of all time, and the second topic goes deep into the greatest wasted talents in League of Legends history, from Forg1ven and Danny to Selfmade, Nemesis, Odoamne, and Froggen.

Topics covered:
⦁ Is Deft, Viper, or Ruler the second-best ADC of all time?
⦁ Canyon vs Score: who is the best and second-best jungler ever?
⦁ Keria vs Meiko: which one is the greatest support in League history?
⦁ TheShy is #1 at top lane, but who is second: Kiin, Smeb, or Bin?
⦁ Rookie vs Faker: who is actually the best mid laner of all time?
⦁ The greatest wasted talents in League history: Forg1ven, Danny, Selfmade, and more

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0:00 Intro
0:02:43 Second-best ADC of all time
0:24:08 Second-best jungler of all time
0:39:25 Second-best support of all time
0:48:00 Second-best top laner of all time
1:05:15 Second-best mid laner of all time
1:27:58 Second-best player of all time
1:32:42 Wasted talent in League of Legends history

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