Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 days ago
This week Brandon Millman & Donnie Dinch join the show to discuss the past, present & future of Phantom. We deep dive into why did Brandon originally build Phantom, recent M&A activity, building perps, how does Phantom generate revenue, will Phantom IPO & more. Enjoy!
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Zcash is encrypted Bitcoin. Your digital bill of rights securing your freedom for the 21st century.
Buy, store and spend ZEC privately using Zashi Wallet download today: electriccoin.co/zashi
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Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users.
Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates [https://app.katana.network/krates]
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00:00 Intro
03:59 Why Did Brandon Start Phantom?
12:05 Building For Crypto Users vs Normies
20:57 Ads (Zcash, Katana)
22:11 Launching Phantom CASH
27:26 How To Scale As a Startup
35:42 Launching Perps
47:12 Ads (Zcash, Katana)
48:26 How Does Phantom Generate Revenue?
53:16 The Next Chapter of Phantom
56:24 Phantom's Recent M&A
01:02:16 Ads (mantle)
01:03:15 Will Phantom Launch a Chain?
01:11:25 Prediction Markets
01:15:31 Will Phantom IPO?
01:21:01 Phantom Connect
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.
This week Brandon Millman & Donnie Dinch join the show to discuss the past, present & future of Phantom. We deep dive into why did Brandon originally build Phantom, recent M&A activity, building perps, how does Phantom generate revenue, will Phantom IPO & more. Enjoy!
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Follow Brandon: https://x.com/BChillman
Follow Donnie: https://x.com/donnie
Follow Jason: https://x.com/JasonYanowitz
Follow Empire: twitter.com/theempirepod
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Join the Empire Telegram: https://t.me/+CaCYvTOB4Eg1OWJh
--
Zcash is encrypted Bitcoin. Your digital bill of rights securing your freedom for the 21st century.
Buy, store and spend ZEC privately using Zashi Wallet download today: electriccoin.co/zashi
--
Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users.
Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates [https://app.katana.network/krates]
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00:00 Intro
03:59 Why Did Brandon Start Phantom?
12:05 Building For Crypto Users vs Normies
20:57 Ads (Zcash, Katana)
22:11 Launching Phantom CASH
27:26 How To Scale As a Startup
35:42 Launching Perps
47:12 Ads (Zcash, Katana)
48:26 How Does Phantom Generate Revenue?
53:16 The Next Chapter of Phantom
56:24 Phantom's Recent M&A
01:02:16 Ads (mantle)
01:03:15 Will Phantom Launch a Chain?
01:11:25 Prediction Markets
01:15:31 Will Phantom IPO?
01:21:01 Phantom Connect
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.
