Uploaded February 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago

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Notion’s Max Schoening and Geoffrey Litt chat about why “malleable software” suddenly feels relevant again. They get into what changes when AI coding agents are actually good, why people are moving back toward broad, remixable tools, and what it means to have real ownership over the software (and hardware) you live with.

0:00 Intro to malleable software
11:58 The role of AI in malleable software
17:47 Max's smart home reverse engineering adventure
34:12 The power of CLIs
39:46 Maintenance burden
43:16 /explain-diff: using AI to understand code better
47:16 Avoiding cognitive debt
51:55 Learning with AI

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