Noki Doki | Lily Pad Ride – 0x A Presses [S/H] @NokiDoki | Uploaded May 2017 | Updated October 2024, 34 minutes ago.
I collect the Lily Pad Ride secret Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Spray and Hover Nozzles. This is an improvement over my previous strat, where I used Yoshi: youtube.com/watch?v=yHrwXmeYp3Y
The flooded plaza comes with two well-known ways to walk underwater: the floating logs and the two awnings near the port. But they may even shoot Mario through the floor!
First, I use the awnings to get underwater because who wants to swim all the way to the island, especially without A? While doing this, I discovered that I could clip through the floor, then hover through the building instead of just walking around it, so that’s nice. Then I waterslide to the island and climb up the tree to get back into the water.
I then place Mario against the end of the log, slightly to the side, dive as it bobs up, and push the control stick forward to make Mario swim up under the log as it bobs down again. This pushes Mario down through the floor again, allowing him to hover into the loading zone.
Once inside the secret area, I do pretty much the same thing as in the previous strat: get the first 6 coins normally, hover from the side for the 7th coin, then hover + ground pound from the pipe to get the last one.
Side notes:
– This is a pretty fast, consistent and low-risk way to enter this level, with the only real downside being that you need to watch the flood cutscene twice. Even if you clip through the floor of the island and miss the loading zone, you land on an extension of the floor around the island; it doesn’t have a texture but it doesn’t kill you. In a non-ABC context, you can simply spinjump and ground pound to get the loading zone.
– I finally bought a GC controller USB adapter, so unless something goes wrong (or I need console footage), no more phone-recorded videos!
This video is RTA, played on Dolphin 5.0 with the NTSC-J version of the game.
I collect the Lily Pad Ride secret Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Spray and Hover Nozzles. This is an improvement over my previous strat, where I used Yoshi: youtube.com/watch?v=yHrwXmeYp3Y
The flooded plaza comes with two well-known ways to walk underwater: the floating logs and the two awnings near the port. But they may even shoot Mario through the floor!
First, I use the awnings to get underwater because who wants to swim all the way to the island, especially without A? While doing this, I discovered that I could clip through the floor, then hover through the building instead of just walking around it, so that’s nice. Then I waterslide to the island and climb up the tree to get back into the water.
I then place Mario against the end of the log, slightly to the side, dive as it bobs up, and push the control stick forward to make Mario swim up under the log as it bobs down again. This pushes Mario down through the floor again, allowing him to hover into the loading zone.
Once inside the secret area, I do pretty much the same thing as in the previous strat: get the first 6 coins normally, hover from the side for the 7th coin, then hover + ground pound from the pipe to get the last one.
Side notes:
– This is a pretty fast, consistent and low-risk way to enter this level, with the only real downside being that you need to watch the flood cutscene twice. Even if you clip through the floor of the island and miss the loading zone, you land on an extension of the floor around the island; it doesn’t have a texture but it doesn’t kill you. In a non-ABC context, you can simply spinjump and ground pound to get the loading zone.
– I finally bought a GC controller USB adapter, so unless something goes wrong (or I need console footage), no more phone-recorded videos!
This video is RTA, played on Dolphin 5.0 with the NTSC-J version of the game.
![Lily Pad Ride – 0x A Presses [S/H]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Fv-yDqgX6A/hqdefault.jpg "Lily Pad Ride – 0x A Presses [S/H]
I collect the Lily Pad Ride secret Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Spray and Hover Nozzles. This is an improvement over my previous strat, where I used Yoshi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHrwXmeYp3Y
The flooded plaza comes with two well-known ways to walk underwater: the floating logs and the two awnings near the port. But they may even shoot Mario through the floor!
First, I use the awnings to get underwater because who wants to swim all the way to the island, especially without A? While doing this, I discovered that I could clip through the floor, then hover through the building instead of just walking around it, so that’s nice. Then I waterslide to the island and climb up the tree to get back into the water.
I then place Mario against the end of the log, slightly to the side, dive as it bobs up, and push the control stick forward to make Mario swim up under the log as it bobs down again. This pushes Mario down through the floor again, allowing him to hover into the loading zone.
Once inside the secret area, I do pretty much the same thing as in the previous strat: get the first 6 coins normally, hover from the side for the 7th coin, then hover + ground pound from the pipe to get the last one.
Side notes:
– This is a pretty fast, consistent and low-risk way to enter this level, with the only real downside being that you need to watch the flood cutscene twice. Even if you clip through the floor of the island and miss the loading zone, you land on an extension of the floor around the island; it doesn’t have a texture but it doesn’t kill you. In a non-ABC context, you can simply spinjump and ground pound to get the loading zone.
– I finally bought a GC controller USB adapter, so unless something goes wrong (or I need console footage), no more phone-recorded videos!
This video is RTA, played on Dolphin 5.0 with the NTSC-J version of the game.")
![Mecha-Bowser Appears! – 0x A Presses [S/H]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2T-d5tlgDuM/hqdefault.jpg "Mecha-Bowser Appears! – 0x A Presses [S/H]
I collect the Pinna 1 Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Spray and Hover Nozzles.
The A button doesn’t even do anything during the actual boss fight, and the rest of this mission doesn’t warrant A presses either. Notice that the Shine is too high to reach hoverless and too far away from just about every tall structure we could hope to reach it from, and that the pool of water surrounding it means we can’t just bounce on a durian or a Stu to get it.
This video is RTA, played on PAL Wii.")
![Yoshi’s Fruit Adventure – 0x A Presses [H/Y]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2chBZPliyVk/hqdefault.jpg "Yoshi’s Fruit Adventure – 0x A Presses [H/Y]
I collect the Ricco 8 Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Hover Nozzle and Yoshi. This is an improvement over my previous strat, where I used the Rocket Nozzle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW6fqIErUuo
Since then, I actually tried to get this Shine the normal way instead of assuming that it would require A. Yes, it’s that simple. In theory.
In practice, the first gap Yoshi needs to cross requires a purple platform that doesn’t actually make it all the way to the next platform. The camera angle I use in the video doesn’t really let you see that, but even if you turn a Cheep-Cheep into a platform on the best possible frame of its cycle and run off of it on the last frame before it disappears, it’s not enough. So we actually need to spawn the platform in a perfect position, get Yoshi right on the front edge of the platform, and dive onto his back just before the platform despawns to get the extra momentum needed to cross the gap.
But if you think we’re done, you’re forgetting something: the perfect purple platform position (say it five times fast) is way off the ground, so we also need a pink platform to get to it. Now, puny mortals would probably do this by turning Yoshi pink first, making a pink platform, turning him purple again, making the purple platform, and then turning him pink again for the rest of the mission, but I don’t feel like ruining Yoshi’s diet with that much food, so let’s do this with just a durian and a banana, shall we?
This implies that we need to make the purple platform first, which makes the timing extremely tight. The purple platform gets more and more of a head start with every frame it takes to make the pink platform. And we need Yoshi to eat a banana in the meantime. And we also need the second Cheep-Cheep to actually be in a relatively good spot at the right time.
So I eat a Cheep-Cheep to reset its cycle and solve the synchronization issue, spray both Cheep-Cheeps in quick succession (for the record, using first-person mode wouldn’t let me turn around fast enough to get both on the right frames), and eat the banana as the Yoshi juice is still on its way to hit the second Cheep-Cheep.
The pink platform is actually a bit off the ground, but as discovered by samgodro43, Yoshi can clip onto his platforms instead of getting pushed away. So I dismount Yoshi on the ledge for the pink platform to pick him up as it grows, then get him under the purple platform so that he clips on top of it just in time.
Now that the hard part is done, all I need to do is cross the gap with a well-timed dive onto Yoshi’s back, and get to the cage using pink platforms like normal.
This video is TAS, played on Dolphin 5.0 with the NTSC-J version of the game.
Rerecords: 1284")
![Blue coin DP15 – 0x A Presses, no savebox [H]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4CqQ7JbSnmU/hqdefault.jpg "Blue coin DP15 – 0x A Presses, no savebox [H]
I collect the coconut lady’s blue coin on Delfino Plaza without pressing the A button, using only the Hover Nozzle. This is an improvement over samgodro43’s video, which didn’t skip the textbox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQHX00IV5XY
Most of the plaza blues have textbox skips based on collecting them while dying, but the coconut lady was one of the last we couldn’t skip. It was clear that fall damage was our only hope, but there were a few issues with that: it’s impossible to take fall damage in sand, and nothing near the island would give us the necessary height anyway. The sand issue could be resolved by placing a barrel and having the coin spawn on top of it, and any of Yoshi, the turbo nozzle or the rocket nozzle would allow us to carry the height from some plaza building to the island, but barrels disappear from the plaza before Yoshi or the nozzles become available.
Fall damage is one of the few mechanics that changed fundamentally between SM64 and SMS, likely to accommodate for the rocket nozzle. In SM64 it was based on the height where Mario performed his last action, but in SMS it relies on the last place where Mario was grounded, and his downward momentum when landing. Fortunately, ledgegrabs don’t count as a grounded state for this, so it’s possible to fall from a high place, grab the ledge of a boat, hover from it to the coconut lady, triple bounce off of her to land with enough downward speed, and take damage from a fall that technically lasted nearly a minute!
This strat is only possible after both Ricco and Gelato have been unlocked (so the boats are moving) but before Pinna is unlocked (so the barrels are still present).
Shoutouts to AverageTrey for finding the quick damage spot I used at 2:09: https://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingSolidBatTBCheesePull
This video is TAS, played on Dolphin 5.0-6022 with the PAL version of the game.
Rerecords: 971")
![The Secret of Ricco Tower – 0x A Presses [H]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6B3y8IzGLcA/hqdefault.jpg "The Secret of Ricco Tower – 0x A Presses [H]
I collect the Ricco 4 Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Hover Nozzle. This is an improvement on my previous strat, which was about 40 seconds slower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2jN6PuzWB0
Since then, I got better at the game, and found a slightly faster and much cooler way to enter the secret area using the trampolines near the top of the beam system.
This video is RTA, played on Dolphin 5.0 with the PAL version of the game.")
![The Yoshi-Go-Rounds Secret – 6x A Presses [Y]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6xTVAFZaDs4/hqdefault.jpg "The Yoshi-Go-Rounds Secret – 6x A Presses [Y]
I collect the Pinna 6 Shine by pressing the A button only 6 times, using Yoshi but not FLUDD. This is an improvement over Frog7ribbits now-deleted EYG video from June 2017, which also used the Spray and Hover Nozzles.
This EYG is quite different from Frogs 3-Stu strat, which mostly followed the 2-Stu plan from normal speedruns, but added a pink platform into the mix in order to raise Yoshi up to the purple platform headed to the go-round. At the time it seemed that making the purple platform lower to the ground would either cause it to break against the go-round, or leave Yoshi unable to get onto the go-round.
The first part is unlocking Yoshi, which is where spraying was required. Thankfully we can simply use sea water to get a fruit out of the ground, then carry it to Yoshi without breaking FLUDDs peaceful slumber. I use a pineapple here for speed, but its possible to reach a coconut and a papaya too. I couldnt get either of the bananas though.
After the original video went missing, my first idea was to try out 1-Stu, which has become the best strat for normal runs. In the A Button Challenge, Yoshi is pretty broken thanks to infinite ground pounds, but his one weakness is getting off the ground in the first place; on Pinna beach, the only ledges he can reach 0x and run off of are the cannon base, and the slippery hill that slopes off the ground near the papaya. So well have to resort to making our own ledges using juice platforms. It doesnt seem like they should be able to help, but what makes them useful is that they move.
You see, Yoshi mostly shares Marios physics while hes on his back, but when left alone, hell switch to much coarser collision checks, ignoring walls and ceilings, and snapping onto floors from much lower than Mario would. So if we make a platform near the ground and dismount as it grows towards Yoshi, hell snap onto it. Better yet, the platform rotates as it forms, so Yoshi will start to rotate with it, and with the right positioning, he can get carried into another ledge and snap onto it as well. Once on that ledge, I can finally use the latest hottest tech to clip into the park. As it turns out, there is a platform height that fits all the criteria of letting Yoshi snap onto it, not breaking against the go-round, and letting Yoshi snap onto the go-round, so we reach the secret entrance just a few seconds slower than a top execution with the A button.
The beginning of the secret is frustrating, as the very first gap is barely out of reach. In fact, if we could dive off the peak of the last rotating block, then cancel the dive while keeping its horizontal and vertical speed, Mario would be able to grab the ledge. After some testing, this doesnt seem possible, but this first A press may be shaved off once we reach SM64 levels of science. For now, if we need to press A, might as well make the most out of it! I gather a bunch of speed by landing on a slippery slope right before it becomes safe, carry it up and pull off a massive spinjump straight to the red egg block.
Navigating egg blocks is pretty easy, they move so we can dive in front of them and ground pound for height, and theyll pick Mario up. Thats the only way we knew of back in 2017, but I accidentally found out that you can even just dive straight from one to the next in at least some cases so thats nice. However the gap after the last egg block is not so nice, and requires another A press. Once again, I go big and use that A press to reach the platform from the green egg block, skipping the red one.
Then we get to the final structure, which normal speedruns climb with a spinjump to the wall facing the ice block, 3 wallkicks to land on the brick block above it, and a spinjump-dive to the Shine, or 5 A presses total. The one improvement we can make was found by SMS TASer extraordinaire zelpikukirby: by dive-grinding on the edge of the moving platform, we can carry more speed into the first spinjump, which makes it reach higher. Using a Y-turn, we can redirect it towards the ice block, then ledgegrab the brick block after only 2 wallkicks. One last spinjump-dive to grab the Shine, and Bobs your uncle!
This video is TAS, played on Dolphin 5.0-6022 with the PAL version of the game.
Rerecords: 1646")
![[April Fools] 4YG](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7Nc5qhUoSgg/hqdefault.jpg "[April Fools] 4YG
This video is an April Fools joke! In reality, horizontal spam-spray recoil exists in the code, but it scales with a parameter that is set to 0, so spam-sprays can only affect vertical speed. Furthermore, Yoshis render matrix is initialized when the level loads and whenever he returns to his egg, meaning its impossible for junk data to affect the properties of a spam-spray.
Early Yoshi-Go-Round (EYG) has long been known to be possible in every episode of Pinna Park, except the fourth, the only one to not feature any enemy that can both move around and be turned into a platform by Yoshi. Because of this, its impossible to follow the same route as other episodes, so no ones really been trying to make 4YG a thing anymore.
I was thinking about hyperhover the other day, and why it couldnt work with other nozzles: turbo and rocket both need to charge, making it impossible to use them before theyre properly initialized, and spray is the default nozzle, meaning its initialized before you can possibly wake up FLUDD. But Id never really thought about Yoshi: he can spam-spray at any time, and doesnt fully initialized until he gets out of his egg, so surely it could work!
So heres the plan: hatch Yoshis egg so that he spawns on the first QF of a frame, mount him on that same QF, and spam-spray to gain backwards speed based on junk data from a previous level. Lining up the QFs was surprisingly easy: hatching the egg is based on collision detection between the fruit and the egg, and mounting Yoshi is based on collision detection between Yoshi and Mario, so it all pretty much works out automatically as long as you dont pause beforehand, I just need to carry the fruit to Yoshi so Marios close enough to mount.
Horizontal spam-spray recoil is usually unnoticeable, but when you read junk data as a direction vector, it can give Yoshi any amount of backward speed! Here I hacked the initial render matrix to give me around -120k speed but just like hyperhover, it just depends on what happens to be in that memory location at that time. Once you got the speed, just land while holding a direction, and the speed cap is off for a few frames!
Back to the actual strat, there are a few issues: first, Yoshi cant redirect that hyperspeed as easily as hover, so we need to start close enough to the right direction (carrying the fruit also helps to set Yoshis spawning angle). The second issue is that the go-round is elevated compared to the beach, so reactivating the speed by landing at ground level sadly wont do. Instead I have to land on the cliff, which requires a spinjump and a Y-turn to maneuver around the invisible wall. Its probably possible to go with a lower point on the cliff and land directly inside the loading zone rather than on the roof, but this is good enough for a demo.")
![Il Piantissimo’s Sand Sprint – 0x A Presses [Ø]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8NTo7j7FyK8/hqdefault.jpg "Il Piantissimo’s Sand Sprint – 0x A Presses [Ø]
I collect the Gelato 5 Shine without pressing the A button or using F.L.U.D.D. at all.
The first step is to get a waterslide going, so I simply go back to the sea and dive from it. I then spam-dive up the hills to the flagpole and win the race!
This video is RTA, played on PAL Wii.")
![Wiggler Ahoy! Full Steam Ahead! – 0x A Presses [H]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8d9M6Dt1IjQ/hqdefault.jpg "Wiggler Ahoy! Full Steam Ahead! – 0x A Presses [H]
I collect the Gelato 3 Shine without pressing the A button, using only the Hover Nozzle.
The first two hits can be landed by hovering from the Dune Bud that flipped Wiggler over, but for the final hit, Wiggler stops too far away. Fortunately, it ends up in the water, a bit lower than the rest of the beach, which lets us hover on top of it anyway.
This video is RTA, played on PAL Wii.")
