Uploaded February 2023 | Updated September 2026, 2 hours ago
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Chris Williamson is a former club promoter turned podcaster with his show Modern Wisdom.
In just a few years, Modern Wisdom has generated more than 70 MILLION downloads with interviews of guests like Jocko Willink, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and Ryan Holiday. Not only that, but Chris has more than 700,000 subscribers on YouTube too. And while Chris started podcasting in 2018, things really accelerated for him in 2020.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
• How Chris thinks about the role of HYPE and clickbait
• Why Chris worries more about being a “vibe architect” than overpreparing for his interviews
• The highest leverage activity he spends his time on to grow his show
• How he thinks about the role of video in podcasting
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - How Did Chris Williamson Blow Up?
01:18 - INTRO
01:33 - Modern Wisdom Podcast Beginnings
04:52 - How Chris Avoids Burnout
08:16 - How Club Promoting Helps Creators
10:18 - Role of Hype and Clickbait in Content
14:28 - Try out Uscreen!
16:16 - Logistics of In Person Episodes
18:10 - In Person VS Remote Interviews
21:46 - Logistics of Posting 3 Episodes Per Week
23:19 - What Does Good Preparation Look Like?
27:24 - How to Build Rapport With Someone Intimidating
31:17 - Chris’s Joe Rogan Experience
34:54 - Sign up for Creator Science
35:35 - Working Solo VS With a Partner
38:22 - Why 3 Episodes Per Week?
41:07 - How To Drive New Audio Listeners
42:56 - Where Podcasters Should Focus Their Efforts
47:58 - 6 Tips For Remote Interview Podcasts
52:06 - Clips VS Shorts
53:46 - OUTRO
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🌐 Website: chriswillx.com
🐦 Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisWillx
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📹 YouTube: @ChrisWillx
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TEAM
Host + Producer // Jay Clouse: jayclouse.com/links
Editor // Conor Conaboy: twitter.com/conorconaboy
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Chris Williamson is a former club promoter turned podcaster with his show Modern Wisdom.
In just a few years, Modern Wisdom has generated more than 70 MILLION downloads with interviews of guests like Jocko Willink, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and Ryan Holiday. Not only that, but Chris has more than 700,000 subscribers on YouTube too. And while Chris started podcasting in 2018, things really accelerated for him in 2020.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
• How Chris thinks about the role of HYPE and clickbait
• Why Chris worries more about being a “vibe architect” than overpreparing for his interviews
• The highest leverage activity he spends his time on to grow his show
• How he thinks about the role of video in podcasting
SPONSOR - USCREEN
Create your own video membership with Uscreen: uscreen.link/creatorscience
🌐 Episode page: https://creativeelements.fm/chris-williamson
📬 Newsletter: creatorscience.com
🧰 Get our Toolbox: creatorscience.com/toolbox
🧪 Join The Lab: join.creatorscience.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - How Did Chris Williamson Blow Up?
01:18 - INTRO
01:33 - Modern Wisdom Podcast Beginnings
04:52 - How Chris Avoids Burnout
08:16 - How Club Promoting Helps Creators
10:18 - Role of Hype and Clickbait in Content
14:28 - Try out Uscreen!
16:16 - Logistics of In Person Episodes
18:10 - In Person VS Remote Interviews
21:46 - Logistics of Posting 3 Episodes Per Week
23:19 - What Does Good Preparation Look Like?
27:24 - How to Build Rapport With Someone Intimidating
31:17 - Chris’s Joe Rogan Experience
34:54 - Sign up for Creator Science
35:35 - Working Solo VS With a Partner
38:22 - Why 3 Episodes Per Week?
41:07 - How To Drive New Audio Listeners
42:56 - Where Podcasters Should Focus Their Efforts
47:58 - 6 Tips For Remote Interview Podcasts
52:06 - Clips VS Shorts
53:46 - OUTRO
***
CONNECT WITH CHRIS WILLIAMSON
🌐 Website: chriswillx.com
🐦 Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisWillx
📸 Instagram: instagram.com/chriswillx
📹 YouTube: @ChrisWillx
***
CONNECT WITH ME
🐦 Twitter: twitter.com/jayclouse
📸 Instagram: instagram.com/jayclouse
🎵 TikTok: tiktok.com/@jayclouse
💼 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jayclouse
***
🙏 GUEST REQUESTS & LISTENER QUESTIONS
https://creativeelements.fm/request
🏁 PAST EPISODES & STARTER PLAYLISTS
https://creativeelements.fm/episodes
https://creativeelements.fm/playlists
💼 SPONSORS
https://creativeelements.fm/sponsors/
💜 Leave a review on Apple Podcasts
apple.co/3c6oN4g
🟢 Leave a rating on Spotify
spoti.fi/3c6xpYH
***
TEAM
Host + Producer // Jay Clouse: jayclouse.com/links
Editor // Conor Conaboy: twitter.com/conorconaboy
Audio Engineer // Nathan Todhunter: nathantodhunter.com
Thumbnail Artist // Neaux: twitter.com/NeauxArt
Creative Elements is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network.
