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In this gripping continuation of our conversation with legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber, we venture even deeper into the nature of the Visitors—what they are, how they relate to time, and what it truly means to engage with an intelligence that exists just beyond the limits of human comprehension.
This episode challenges the boundaries of our understanding as Whitley explores:
🔹 The role of human consciousness in shaping contact phenomena
🔹 Why the living and the dead must work together to reach the next stage of evolution
🔹 The hidden reality of telepathic communication and its profound implications
🔹 How social engineering and stigma have shaped the UFO narrative—and why that’s changing
🔹 The military’s secret interest in experiencers and the possible manipulation of contact phenomena
Whitley also shares deeply personal insights into his own experiences, the afterlife, and the unseen forces at play in our reality. This is a conversation that demands reflection, openness, and a willingness to embrace the unknown.
📖 The Fourth Mind by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/3Tj8G2i
📚 Them by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/gqYziUQ
🎥 Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – Watch at Cosmosis.Media
🎙️ Dreamland Podcast – Hosted by Whitley Strieber at UnknownCountry.com
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
03:46 Clip from Cosmosis: UFOs & a New Reality
05:45 The Role of Human Consciousness in Encounters
06:26 Historical and Cultural Context of Encounters
11:31 The Importance of Telepathy
12:31 Challenges in Understanding and Acceptance
13:51 Navigating Disinformation and Manipulation
27:15 Personal Experiences and Integration
33:02 The Stigma and Scientific Resistance
53:18 Final Thoughts and Future Directions
In this gripping continuation of our conversation with legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber, we venture even deeper into the nature of the Visitors—what they are, how they relate to time, and what it truly means to engage with an intelligence that exists just beyond the limits of human comprehension.
This episode challenges the boundaries of our understanding as Whitley explores:
🔹 The role of human consciousness in shaping contact phenomena
🔹 Why the living and the dead must work together to reach the next stage of evolution
🔹 The hidden reality of telepathic communication and its profound implications
🔹 How social engineering and stigma have shaped the UFO narrative—and why that’s changing
🔹 The military’s secret interest in experiencers and the possible manipulation of contact phenomena
Whitley also shares deeply personal insights into his own experiences, the afterlife, and the unseen forces at play in our reality. This is a conversation that demands reflection, openness, and a willingness to embrace the unknown.
📖 The Fourth Mind by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/3Tj8G2i
📚 Them by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/gqYziUQ
🎥 Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – Watch at Cosmosis.Media
🎙️ Dreamland Podcast – Hosted by Whitley Strieber at UnknownCountry.com
Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:
https://www.cosmosis.media/
Join the Patreon:
patreon.com/cosmosismedia
Subscribe to Cosmosis:
YouTube: youtube.com/@InquirywithKellyChase
Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
03:46 Clip from Cosmosis: UFOs & a New Reality
05:45 The Role of Human Consciousness in Encounters
06:26 Historical and Cultural Context of Encounters
11:31 The Importance of Telepathy
12:31 Challenges in Understanding and Acceptance
13:51 Navigating Disinformation and Manipulation
27:15 Personal Experiences and Integration
33:02 The Stigma and Scientific Resistance
53:18 Final Thoughts and Future Directions
![The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 10]: What Did The Astronauts Find On The Moon? #moonmystery #moonlanding](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kwL3obIlPw0/mqdefault.jpg "The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 10]: What Did The Astronauts Find On The Moon? #moonmystery #moonlanding
👨🚀 The conspiracy isn’t that we didn’t land on the Moon.
It’s what we found when we got there.
Strange transmissions. Private channels. Craft watching from the crater’s edge.
And then—nothing. We never went back.
Some say we were warned off. Others say we never should’ve gone at all.
🌕 Follow for Part 11: What did the astronauts really say about UFOs and the Moon?
#MoonLanding #Apollo11 #NASASecrets #UFOtok #HighStrangeness #MoonConspiracy #Cosmosis #HiddenHistory #SpaceIsWeird #AltHistory #QuestionEverything #Disclosure")
![The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 4]: The Moon Keeps Us Alive #moonmystery #originsoflife](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l6bb1Mb_Puo/mqdefault.jpg "The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 4]: The Moon Keeps Us Alive #moonmystery #originsoflife
🌊 The Moon isn’t just a pretty face in the sky—it’s the reason we’re here.
Its gravity powers the tides that may have sparked the origin of life. It circulates nutrients through our oceans, stabilizes Earth’s climate, and even protects us from asteroid impacts.
In other words, the Moon isn’t background—it’s the infrastructure of life on Earth. 🌎
Follow for Part 5: Because some scientists think the Moon might be too perfect.
#MoonFacts #TidalForces #EarthsMoon #LifeOnEarth #Astrobiology #MoonMystery #ClimateStability #Cosmosis #UFOs #SpaceTikTok #TheMoonIsWeird #HighStrangeness #PlanetaryScience #AltScience")
![[Field Notes] What Happened in 2021? Analyzing A Hidden Wave of Consciousness Shifts](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/muCVkNUGqN8/mqdefault.jpg "[Field Notes] What Happened in 2021? Analyzing A Hidden Wave of Consciousness Shifts
Something shifted in 2021 — not just for Kelly, but for an unusual number of people all at once.
In this Field Notes episode, she thinks aloud about a pattern she keeps running into: waves of consciousness-altering experiences that clustered around a single year, reported independently, with near-identical features and near-identical language. More than a few people, without any prompting, reached for the exact same phrase to describe what happened to them: a sleeper agent, activated.
She traces the pattern outward — from veteran UFO researcher Stan Gordons description of 2021 as the year they opened all the cages at the Cryptid Zoo, to Edgar Mitchells overview effect, to the measurable weakening of Earths electromagnetic field and the approaching solar maximum — and keeps arriving at the same question: what changed?
This episode doesnt offer a single answer, just a few working theories held together honestly and the growing sense that 2021 may have been a threshold rather than an anomaly.
If youre a member of the anomalous class of 2021, this ones for you.
Find the full transcript on my Substack.
🗒️ About Field Notes
Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that havent yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com.
Topics explored: Anomalous class of 2021 | consciousness shifts | sleeper agent activation | collective awakening | overview effect | Edgar Mitchell | space psychology | Earths electromagnetic field | solar cycles | geomagnetic weakening | pandemic isolation | shared reality collapse | threshold events | hundredth monkey effect | cryptid surges | window areas | Stan Gordon | Kecksburg | high strangeness | collective observation | quantum mechanics and perception | reality porosity | precognitive dreams | non-human intelligence contact | experiencer testimony | field notes
Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.
Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm.
Referenced In This Episode
Here are the episodes where Kelly talks about her anomalous experience in 2021:
Cosmosis: Origins
—Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1bXFbzctuofWhXTpKhBlHz?si=37556ccc87554536
—Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/inquiry-with-kelly-chase/id1595590107?i=1000734371829
—YouTube: https://youtu.be/hH3o3iNh0fI?si=ipPARsQHTZHSrGyO
Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation Into The Anomalous
—Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6YClLB3DIeC6U3tjXy5RIj?si=99d2f940173d4c1b
—Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/inquiry-with-kelly-chase/id1595590107?i=1000747811050
—YouTube: https://youtu.be/nVkGEL5eRiY?si=hzIdoljp8XpFvtFE
Support The Show
Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com
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Connect with Kelly
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Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality
Prime Video: https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0GR10KHFPAGTE1FK7173P5I2N1/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r
Tubi: https://tubitv.com/series/300019017/cosmosis-ufo-a-new-reality
TIMESTAMPS
01:43 Sleeper Agent Pattern
03:37 Is 2021 a Wave
05:09 Kecksburg Turning Point
06:34 Threshold Consciousness Theory
09:01 Overview Effect Clues
10:40 Earth Field and Solar Cycles
12:43 Pandemic Isolation Theory
15:53 What It Means Going Forward
MUSIC
The Uh Experiment by RimskyMusic
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 24: UFOs & High Strangeness: The 6-Layer Model by Vallée & Davis](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nDwl0BOSCDA/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 24: UFOs & High Strangeness: The 6-Layer Model by Vallée & Davis
Today’s episode is an important one, because it’s going to lay the groundwork for a lot of the things that we’re going to be discussing moving forward. In the weeks and months to come, this is an episode that I’ll likely be referring back to often.
And that’s because today we’re diving into an article written by two heavyweights of ufology that serves not only as an essential framework to support our understanding of the complexities and nuances of the UFO phenomenon, but that also—in a very real way—helped to lay the foundation for the recent push for UFO disclosure. In short, it’s not only important that we take the time to really understand the ideas presented in this article—but to understand where it fits into the history of modern ufology.
The paper to which I’m referring is Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-Layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena written by Jacques Vallée and Eric Davis. Most people will already be very familiar with those names, but just in case they are new to you, you can find links to their bios and other work in the episode brief.
What is so significant about this paper is that it seeks to create a framework by which we can begin to analyze and integrate the parts of UFO encounters that rarely make it into sci-fi media, and even more rarely make it into serious discussions about the phenomenon itself—which is the undeniable and pervasive occurrence of events and effects that are traditionally relegated to the realms of high strangeness and the paranormal.
If there’s nothing else that you take away from this episode it should be this—encounters with UFOs and non-human intelligence are much, much weirder than youve probably been led to believe.
EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-24-ufos-high-strangeness-the-6-layer-model-by-vallee-davis/
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
FEATURED SONG: Jacques Vallée by _ship: https://on.soundcloud.com/4s8Vy7LqAhEHJQgf7
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:32 Introduction
00:06:53 Problems with the SETI and UAP Paradigms
00:07:25 —SETI & The Assumption of Mediocrity
00:12:19 —Anthropocentric Bias in SETI
00:14:54 —Anthropocentric Bias in Ufology
00:16:27 The Need For A Unified Approach To UAP Studies
00:20:01 The Six Layers of UAP Analysis
00:20:30 —Layer I: Physical
00:21:45 —Layer II: Anti-Physical
00:23:00 —Layer III: Psychological
00:29:53 —Layer IV: Physiological
00:32:19 —Layer V: Psychic
00:34:19 —Layer VI: Cultural
00:37:10 Possible Nature of UAP Technology
00:39:48 The Incommensurability Problem
00:45:42 Semiotics
00:51:35 High Strangeness & The Abduction Problem
00:54:12 Conclusions
00:56:23 Garry Nolan and Talking To Ants
01:00:26 Whitley Strieber and “The Visitors In the Trees”
01:12:42 Jacques Vallée by _ship")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 35: Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation Into The Anomalous](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nVkGEL5eRiY/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 35: Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation Into The Anomalous
This episode is going to be different, because for the first time I’m going to talk about something that I never thought I’d talk about publicly, which is my own anomalous experience and how it changed everything about my life and directly led to me starting this podcast.
This is the story of my own highly subjective journey. I’m not asking you to believe anything that I’m saying. My own opinion about what happened to me has changed more times than I count, and I have no doubt that it will change again. My purpose in telling this story isn’t to convince you of anything, but rather to explore in as open and unflinching a way as possible, what it’s like to have an anomalous experience, and to use that as a way to discuss the many complex questions that these experiences raise.
EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-35-through-the-looking-glass-pt-1-my-initiation-into-the-anomalous/
THE INSTITUTE OF NOETIC SCIENCES
I want to thank the Institute of Noetic Sciences for their collaboration, generosity, and patience with me as I’ve worked on this story. You’ll see in episodes 2 and 3 of this series how exactly they became involved in the strange tale I’m about to tell. In my opinion the work that they are doing is some of the most important work being done in the world and is helping to lay the scaffolding for a new and emergent understanding of the nature of our reality, what it means to be human, and our place in this vast and dazzling cosmos.
I hope that if you aren’t already familiar with IONS that you’ll take some time to explore their mission and their work. And if anything in this series speaks to you and you have a little extra give, please consider making a donation to help support IONS into the future.
To make a gift, visit: https://noetic.org/give.
EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-35-through-the-looking-glass-pt-1-my-initiation-into-the-anomalous/
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Patrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.
Memberships start at just $5/month.
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TIMESTAMP
00:05:42 Obsession
00:07:52 Initiation
00:21:55 Aftermath
00:26:06 Redaction
00:31:42 Excavation
00:36:01 Seeking
00:37:41 –Cosmic Illumination
00:46:13 –The Overview Effect
00:50:50 Origins
00:51:14 –God, Angels & Demons
00:59:39 –The Cave & NHIs
01:16:43 –An Emergent Phenomenon
01:21:14 Integration")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Dr. Avi Loeb of the Galileo Project](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o-alS-wUg_A/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Dr. Avi Loeb of the Galileo Project
GET THE EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/an-interview-with-dr-avi-loeb-of-the-galileo-project/
MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
The article written by Avi Loeb & Sean Kirkpatrick:
Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena: https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/LK1.pdf
FOLLOW THE GALILEO PROJECT
Website: https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home
Twitter: https://twitter.com/GalileoProject1
CONTACT IN THE DESERT
See Dr. Avi Loeb, Graham Hancock, George Noory and many more incredible speakers at Contact in the Desert taking place June 2-4, 2023.
Tickets are on sale now: https://contactinthedesert.com/
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GET THE BOOK
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
TIMESTAMP
00:00:30 Intro
00:07:55 Where do you start looking for extraterrestrial life & technology?
00:12:47 How do you retrieve an interstellar object from the ocean floor?
00:15:56 How do you determine if an object came from somewhere outside of the solar system?
00:19:33 How often do objects from outside the solar system come here?
00:22:59 What other promising leads does the Galileo Project have on potential anomalous interstellar objects?
00:28:21 Would the Galileo Project pursue evidence that an anomalous object came from a non-extraterrestrial source?
00:30:46 How the “mothership” article with Sean Kirkpatrick (Director of AARO) came to be and the intention behind it
00:35:26 Dr. Loeb’s thoughts on the recent Senate UAP hearings and Kirkpatrick’s “no credible evidence” statement
00:45:48 Would the Galileo Project ever work with AARO/the government in ways that would subject them to classification and hinder their ability to independently report their findings to the public?
00:48:30 If the Galileo Project does find evidence of extraterrestrial technology, when would that be shared with the public?")
![Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole] Live Stream](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o99DVLSqFyI/mqdefault.jpg "Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole] Live Stream
Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole] Live Stream")
