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In this episode we dive into the question of whether UFOs could actually be human technology. Could this be a massive government cover up? Could disclosure be a psyop designed to consolidate power and instigate war? Or could this technology belong to one of our adversaries?
And what would it take for us to consider other more "exotic" alternatives? Does it even make sense to consider non-human technology as a possibility?
The answers might surprise you. Welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole.
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In this episode we dive into the question of whether UFOs could actually be human technology. Could this be a massive government cover up? Could disclosure be a psyop designed to consolidate power and instigate war? Or could this technology belong to one of our adversaries?
And what would it take for us to consider other more "exotic" alternatives? Does it even make sense to consider non-human technology as a possibility?
The answers might surprise you. Welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole.
Get the full show notes along with photos, videos, declassified documents, source list, bonus materials, & more: bit.ly/ep2notes
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![The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 2]: Did We Really Land on the Moon? #moonlanding #science
🚀 The Moon landing hoax is one of the most famous conspiracy theories of all time.
But what if it’s not a cover-up that we didn’t go… but a distraction from what we found when we did?
Some believe the Moon itself is hiding secrets—and the debate over the landing is just sleight of hand.
🌑 Follow for Part 3: Because scientifically speaking, the Moon shouldn’t even exist.
#MoonLanding #StanleyKubrick #TheShining #ConspiracyTok #SpaceSecrets #UAP #HiddenTruths #AltScience #DeepLore #MoonMystery #QuestionEverything #Cosmosis The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 2]: Did We Really Land on the Moon? #moonlanding #science](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GiwSWw5Vk8I/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Field Notes] Why Do Experiencers Have Visions of Apocalypse? Meaning, Memory, and Manipulation
Apocalyptic visions are one of the most persistent patterns in anomalous experience—and one of the least examined. Across abduction accounts, contact experiences, downloads, and altered states, experiencers consistently report visions of a coming cataclysm. The pattern holds across cultures, across centuries, and across radically different frameworks for understanding contact with non-human intelligence. And the prophecy never comes true.
That doesnt make it meaningless. It might make it more significant.
In this Field Notes episode, Kelly Chase lays out four theories for what these visions actually are—and what theyre doing. Is this species-level PTSD, the trauma of civilizational collapses encoded in our collective psyche and mistaken for prediction? Are these translation artifacts—non-human intelligence reaching for the most legible human metaphor for an ontological rupture that has no literal equivalent? Is the phenomenon itself functioning as a control mechanism, using apocalyptic certainty to fragment, isolate, and neutralize experiencer communities at precisely the moments they begin to cohere? Or is something considerably more terrestrial at work?
The apocalypse may not be coming. But understanding why so many people have been shown it—and who benefits from that vision—may be one of the most important questions in the field.
Find the full transcript on my Substack: https://inquirywithkellychase.substack.com/p/why-do-experiencers-have-visions
🗒️ About Field Notes
Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that havent yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com.
Topics explored: Apocalyptic visions in anomalous experience | experiencer patterns | species-level trauma | collective unconscious | noosphere | Akashic record | ancestral memory | Younger Dryas | civilizational collapse | geological cataclysm | Jacques Vallée | Eric Davis | non-human intelligence communication | symbolic translation | ontological rupture | contact phenomenon | control mechanism | psychological operations | MKULTRA | Voice of God technology | anomalous cognition | experiencer communities | belief manipulation | abduction accounts | contactee testimony | field notes
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Referenced In This Episode
Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness — Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis (2003): https://www.jacquesvallee.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Incommensurability_Orthodoxy_and_the_Phy.pdf
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TIMESTAMPS
00:47 Apocalyptic Visions and Anomalous Experience
02:31 Theory One: Ancestral Memory
04:20 Theory Two: Translation Artifacts
05:56 Theory Three: Control Mechanism
08:08 Theory Four: Human Interference
11:01 What the Pattern Reveals
12:05 Closing and Where to Follow
MUSIC
The Uh Experiment by RimskyMusic
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 36: An Interview with Bernardo Kastrup: UFOs, Ultraterrestrials, & Meaning
In today’s episode, I had the absolute honor of speaking with one of my personal intellectual heroes, Bernardo Kastrup.
Bernardo Kastrup is the executive director of the Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (with a focus in ontology and philosophy of mind) and another Ph.D. in computer engineering (with a focus in reconfigurable computing and artificial intelligence). As a scientist, Bernardo has worked for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) and the Philips Research Laboratories (where the Casimir Effect of Quantum Field Theory was discovered). He has also had a 25-year career in high-technology, having co-founded parallel processing company Silicon Hive (which was acquired by Intel in 2011).
Bernardo Kastrup is also the author of 11 books. I basically have an entire Kastrup shelf inmy office. His book, “Meaning In Absurdity: What Bizarre Phenomena Can Tell Us About the Nature of Reality” is, in my opinion, one of the most important books written on the UFO phenomenon. I can’t recommend it highly enough.
Just a heads up before we begin—if you aren’t familiar with Kastrup’s thinking on analytic idealism, the first part of this interview might be a little challenging. If you stick it out, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how elegantly analytic idealism deals with some of the more mysterious aspects of the anomalous phenomena. If you’d like to learn more about analytic idealism, there are some great resources and videos that can walk you through it step-by-step. [Links in episode brief.]
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[Links to videos on Analytic Idealism in Episode Brief]
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00:00:30 Introduction
00:04:35 How working with artificial neural networks at CERN led Bernardo to break with physicalism
00:07:12 The difference between intelligence and consciousness
00:08:36 Analytic idealism
00:12:26 How does analytic idealism relate to the ideas of Donald Hoffman?
00:14:38 If the world is mental, why doesn’t it behave like a dream?
00:17:23 Bernardo’s UFO experience
00:19:37 How UFOs repel our attention
00:23:02 Memory and UFOs
00:25:46 UFOs and analytic idealism
00:30:09 Logic and finding meaning in absurdity
00:35:11 The “call of the absurd” and the control mechanism
00:39:27 How marketing and propaganda hijack the control mechanism
00:42:47 Are “nuts and bolts” UAPs and high strangeness UFO encounters the same phenomenon?
00:48:44 Bernardo’s ultraterrestrial hypothesis
00:58:37 The rise of AI, NHIs, and the coming consciousness shift [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 36: An Interview with Bernardo Kastrup: UFOs, Ultraterrestrials, & Meaning](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HSZSarWC-Xk/mqdefault.jpg)

![[UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 15: The Moon Is Weird AF: Apollo Missions & The Mysterious Origins Of The Moon
Welcome back to The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast. I’m your host, Kelly Chase.
Today we turn our attention to our nearest neighbor, and the anchor for some of those most compelling and mysterious stories in the UFO lore—the Moon.
Hanging serenely in the night sky, its face unchanging aside from the precise pendulum swing of the lunar cycle, the Moon is our constant companion. It’s the one heavenly body that we can easily observe with the naked eye, and as such it feels deeply familiar to us.
But what if there is more to the Moon than we ever realized? It’s an unnerving thought to consider that the Moon as we know it might not be what we think it is at all. But that’s exactly what the deep UFO lore surrounding the Moon suggests.
In this episode we’ll discuss theories for the origins of the Moon (including the theory that it might be an alien superstructure), the mysteries surrounding the Apollo missions and the moon landing, what some of the top astronauts from the early space program have said about the Moon, and we’ll even tell a story about Neil Armstrong that I, frankly, straight up didn’t believe the first time I heard it.
This episode was a fun one to write, because the Moon is weird AF.
Full Interview with Ross Coulthart on Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal: https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
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Moon Landing: No One Is Out Here by Yehezkel Raz
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00:30 Introduction
00:01:28 Did We Land On The Moon?
00:04:26 The Moon Is Weird
00:06:43 We Only See One Side Of The Moon
00:09:25 Life Might Not Exist On Earth Without The Moon
00:09:48 Life As We Know It Wouldn’t Be Possible Without The Moon
00:14:23 Is The Moon Too Perfect?
00:18:31 Is The Moon Secretly A Planet?
00:23:30 We Have No Idea How The Moon Was Formed
00:24:17 Is The Moon Older Than The Earth?
00:24:49 The Capture Theory
00:26:17 Is The Moon A Hollow Spaceship?
00:32:04 The Giant Impact Theory & The Impossible Twins
00:41:15 Let’s Talk About The Moon Landing
00:41:32 What Has Tom Delonge Said About The Moon Landing?
00:43:09 What Did The Apollo Astronauts Find On The Moon?
00:45:43 The Moon Landing Press Conference
00:49:40 What Have Astronauts Said About UFOs?
00:52:42 What Edgar Mitchell Has Said About UFOs
01:09:24 What Gordon Cooper Has Said About UFOs
00:55:42 What Buzz Aldrin Has Said About UFOs
00:56:51 What Al Worden Has Said About UFOs
00:57:13 Esotericism, The Occult, and The Space Program
01:00:23 The Institute of Noetic Sciences
01:02:13 Neil Armstrong & The Golden Library
01:05:29 Conclusion [UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 15: The Moon Is Weird AF: Apollo Missions & The Mysterious Origins Of The Moon](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IjRGs39yNWs/mqdefault.jpg)
![[UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 31: Interview with Dean Radin: On Consciousness, Psi Phenomena, & Real Magic
Dean Radin, Ph.D., is a prominent figure in the field of parapsychology, known for his extensive research and publications on psychic phenomena. As the chief scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) and author of influential books such as The Conscious Universe and Entangled Minds, Radin has played a pivotal role in investigating and promoting the scientific understanding of psi phenomena, including telepathy, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis.
His work, characterized by its interdisciplinary approach and rigorous statistical analysis, has significantly contributed to the academic and public discourse on the legitimacy and implications of psychic experiences. Radins efforts have been instrumental in advocating for the open-minded and scientific exploration of these often-controversial subjects within the broader context of consciousness studies.
Before joining the research staff at IONS in 2001, he held appointments at AT&T Bell Labs, Princeton University, University of Edinburgh, and SRI International. Dr. Radin is author or coauthor of hundreds of technical articles, some 125 peer-reviewed journal articles, four dozen book chapters, and four best-selling, popular books. Links are in the episode brief if you want to learn more.
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![[Cosmosis] Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact
In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern UFO contact experiences.
From levitating saints and the mysterious Woman in Blue to redacted mystical narratives and the ontological shock of encountering the impossible, Diana reveals surprising links between ancient religious experiences and contemporary reports of contact with non-human intelligences. She also speaks candidly about her own transformation, the eerie resonances between the sacred and the anomalous, and her collaboration with figures like Tyler D. and Dr. Garry Nolan on the frontier of space, consciousness, and belief.
This episode includes the full live Q&A with Diana—where she responds to insightful (and sometimes wild) audience questions about redaction, religious symbolism, and whether spiritual devotion might offer protection from malevolent entities.
Books by Diana Walsh Pasulka
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TIMESTAMPS
06:10 Exploring Ascent Narratives and UFOs
08:37 Investigating Vatican Archives and Levitation
12:28 Comparing Historical and Modern Phenomena
21:40 Theresa of Avilas Angel Event
28:42 Synchronicities and Childhood Beliefs
29:39 Meeting Edward Carlos: An Experiencers Story
31:10 The Process of Redaction
32:54 Historical Context and Space Programs
35:30 St. Francis of Assisis Angel Experience
42:50 Q&A Session
53:15 Closing Remarks and Resources [Cosmosis] Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JfwIlrLVyLs/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Moon is Weird AF [Pt 7]: We Dont Know Where The Moon Came From?! #moonmystery #moonorigin
🌕 We’ve mapped it, landed on it, studied its rocks—and still, no one knows where the Moon came from.
Every major theory falls apart. The math doesn’t work. The physics don’t check out.
And the Moon and Earth? They’re isotopically identical. That shouldn’t be possible unless they’re twins.
So what are we missing?
Follow for Part 8: Because some scientists are starting to ask… what if the Moon was placed here?
#MoonMystery #WhereDidTheMoonComeFrom #Cosmosis #MoonOrigin #HighStrangeness #Astrophysics #HiddenInPlainSight #SpaceTikTok #AltScience #TheMoonIsWeird #CaptureTheory #GiantImpactHypothesis The Moon is Weird AF [Pt 7]: We Dont Know Where The Moon Came From?! #moonmystery #moonorigin](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JnthMrryncY/mqdefault.jpg)
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure
In this episode of the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast, host Kelly Chase returns from a hiatus with a brand new conversation with James Madden. The episode explores themes of psychoanalysis, epistemic vulnerability, and the psychological motivations behind belief systems in ufology. Together, Kelly and Jim ponder the deeper implications of mind control, trauma, and the symbolic nature of our cultural fascination with UFOs, aiming to navigate the complex landscape of human inquiry and understanding.
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TIMESTAMPS
01:02 Upcoming Documentary and Personal Transformation
02:27 A New Direction for the Podcast
02:44 Conversation with Dr. James Madden
04:35 Dr. Maddens Recent Work and Psychoanalysis
06:36 Freudian Insights and Human Motivation
10:37 Epistemic Vulnerability and Belief Systems
15:07 Challenges in Ufology and Disclosure
22:20 Language, Belief, and Mind Control
25:41 Reflecting on Personal Beliefs
26:26 Freuds Death Drive and Trauma Reenactment
29:52 The Addictive Nature of Unfulfilled Promises
31:08 Comparing Ufology to Sports Fandom
33:18 Personal Struggles and Finding Meaning in Danger
35:21 Cultural and Political Outrage Cycles
40:28 Symbolism in Dreams and Collective Psyche
44:29 The Unending Human Project and Self-Destruction
46:29 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JxITYHmZTvE/mqdefault.jpg)
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 5: The Interdimensional & Ultraterrestrial Hypotheses
Although the UFO phenomenon tends to be associated with aliens, there are a few even more fantastical theories about its origins.
Many of most respected scientists and researchers in ufology dont think that the evidence points to any of the more conventional explanations — and that whoever is creating UFOs might not be from the stars at all, but from right here on Earth.
But how could an advanced civilization be here without our knowledge? In this episode we explore the possible answers.
Music: Eleven Hours A Night by Yehezkel Raz
https://yehezkelraz.com/
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:14 Jacques Valleé & J. Allen Hynek
00:10:10 Valleé’s 5 Arguments Against The Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis
00:10:46 Argument 1 - The Reports Are Too Numerous
00:12:11 Argument 2 - Humanoid “Aliens” Are Not Likely To Have Originated On Another Planet
00:13:00 Argument 3 - The Behavior Of These Beings Doesn’t Make Sense
00:14:46 Argument 4 - The Phenomenon Has Been Present Throughout Recorded Human History
00:16:51 Argument 5 - The Technology Suggests Something More Than Extraterrestrial
00:17:44 Valleé’s New Hypotheses
00:18:10 The Interdimensional Hypothesis
00:19:50 The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis
00:20:59 Is The UFO Phenomenon A Control Mechanism?
00:24:06 Music Break
00:25:30 Do Other Dimensions Exist?
00:25:52 The Double Slit Experiment Revisited
00:29:43 The Copenhagen Interpretation
00:32:23 The Many Worlds Interpretation
00:34:01 Grappling With Infinity
00:34:58 The Free Will Problem
00:36:49 Infinity And The Self
00:37:24 An Unprovable Hypothesis
00:39:00 What About The Multiverse? Is The Multiverse The Same As Many Worlds?
00:39:57 Problems With The Multiverse Theory
00:44:00 String Theory And The 11th Dimension
00:45:26 The Verdict On The Interdimensional Hypothesis
00:47:23 Could Paranormal Phenomena Be Interdimensional?
00:49:15 Music Break
00:50:16 The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis
00:50:25 Lue Elizondo & Chains Of The Sea
00:53:54 Could There Be Species On Earth We Don’t Know About?
00:54:12 Cryptids That Turned Out To Be Real
00:57:07 Where Could Cryptids and Ultraterrestrial Species Hide?
00:57:36 Possibility 1 - Other Universes/Dimensions
00:58:06 Possibility 2 - Underwater
00:58:22 Our Unexplored Oceans
00:59:31 UFOs & Water
01:01:07 The Mystery Of Lake Baikal
01:03:22 Possibility 3 - Underground
01:05:35 Hollow Earth
01:07:32 Fuck Cynicism
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 33: An Interview with Whitley Strieber: On Communion with NHIs
Content Warning: Sexual assault
In this episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with someone that I regard to be one of the best minds and brightest lights in this field, Whitley Strieber. Whitley Strieber is an author of both fiction and nonfiction books, perhaps the most famous of which is his pioneering 1987 book Communion, which detailed his experience of abduction that occurred in the winter of 1985. Since then, Whitley has made many other contributions to the field including his most recent book entitled Them, and the book Super Natural which he co-wrote with Jeffrey J. Kripal, both of which have been referenced several times on this podcast. Whitley is also the host of the long-running Dreamland podcast. You can find links to all of this and more in the episode brief.
Whitley’s work has been instrumental to my thinking and growth in this space, and I’m so grateful for both his courage and generosity in sharing his time and his insights.
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Terrible, Glorious, & Useful by Trevor Shikaze
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