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On Monday, June 5th, 2023, a story was published by The Debrief presenting claims from the first whistleblower to step forward publicly since the passing of UAP whistleblower legislation with the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act a few months ago. This whistleblower, David Charles Rusch, is a high-level member of the intelligence community, and he is claiming to have knowledge of special access programs that have recovered non-human technological craft.
Later that same day, an excerpt from an interview with the whistleblower conducted by investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart, was aired on NewsNation in which Rusch made even more shocking claims—including the allegation that the US has also recovered the bodies of the non-human pilots of these craft.
In this episode we do a deep dive into this story, doing our best to frame it within the great context of the disclosure movement, and ask the question: what does all this mean? And can what David Grusch is saying really be true?
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On Monday, June 5th, 2023, a story was published by The Debrief presenting claims from the first whistleblower to step forward publicly since the passing of UAP whistleblower legislation with the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act a few months ago. This whistleblower, David Charles Rusch, is a high-level member of the intelligence community, and he is claiming to have knowledge of special access programs that have recovered non-human technological craft.
Later that same day, an excerpt from an interview with the whistleblower conducted by investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart, was aired on NewsNation in which Rusch made even more shocking claims—including the allegation that the US has also recovered the bodies of the non-human pilots of these craft.
In this episode we do a deep dive into this story, doing our best to frame it within the great context of the disclosure movement, and ask the question: what does all this mean? And can what David Grusch is saying really be true?
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Whistleblower David Grusch Reveals Existence of UFO Crash Retrieval Program](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LElDrPFmXZk/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Whistleblower David Grusch Reveals Existence of UFO Crash Retrieval Program
On Monday, June 5th, 2023, a story was published by The Debrief presenting claims from the first whistleblower to step forward publicly since the passing of UAP whistleblower legislation with the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act a few months ago. This whistleblower, David Charles Rusch, is a high-level member of the intelligence community, and he is claiming to have knowledge of special access programs that have recovered non-human technological craft.
Later that same day, an excerpt from an interview with the whistleblower conducted by investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart, was aired on NewsNation in which Rusch made even more shocking claims—including the allegation that the US has also recovered the bodies of the non-human pilots of these craft.
In this episode we do a deep dive into this story, doing our best to frame it within the great context of the disclosure movement, and ask the question: what does all this mean? And can what David Grusch is saying really be true?
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![The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 1] #science #moon #space](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OF535uLYU1U/mqdefault.jpg "The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 1] #science #moon #space
🌓 We all think we know the Moon. But what if that familiarity is an illusion?
Too big. Too close. Too perfect. Scientists can’t fully explain where it came from—or why it’s so essential to life.
This isn’t just fringe conspiracy talk. Once you start digging into the science, the strangeness becomes undeniable.
🌕 Follow for Part 2: Did we really land on the Moon… or was something waiting for us when we got there?
#TheMoonIsWeird #UFOs #SpaceMysteries #Anomalous #Cosmosis #ScienceTikTok #MoonConspiracy #HighStrangeness #MysteryTok #AltHistory #SpiritualTikTok #ConspiracyTok #HiddenInPlainSight")
![Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality [Trailer]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PDYxoKYvUoQ/mqdefault.jpg "Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality [Trailer]
Cosmosis is available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Fandango at Home, Vimeo, YouTube, and Google Play. Learn more at https://Cosmosis.Media.
As people and governments around the world come to terms with the reality of the UFO phenomenon, top experts in science, philosophy, religious studies, and more are grappling with its implications for humanity. Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality explores how these revelations challenge our understanding of history, non-human intelligence, and the future. Through interviews with leading researchers and experiencers, this docuseries uncovers the latest evidence and theories, offering a fresh perspective on how these discoveries could reshape society and our place in the cosmos.
Featuring:
Diana Walsh Pasulka, PhD
Whitley Strieber
Jeffrey Kripal, PhD
Michael Masters, PhD
Mario Woods
Alex Dietrich
James Madden, PhD
Iya Whiteley PhD
Kelly Chase
Jay Christopher King
Stephen Finley, PhD
Paul H. Smith, PhD
Daniel Elizondo
James Iandoli
Greg Bishop
Joshua Cutchin
Robin Lassiter
Max McCabe
And introducing:
Courtney Leffall
Directed by
Jay Christopher King
Written by
Kelly Chase w/ Jay Christopher King
Consulting Producer
Jeffrey Kripal
Edited by
Zev Deans
Music by
Michael Rubino
Animations by
Fin Handley
Executive Producers
Jordan Flowers
Kelly Chase
Jay Christopher King
Teddy Jones")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 19: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 1]: Everything You Know Is Wrong](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PL49UYhyX5U/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 19: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 1]: Everything You Know Is Wrong
In many ways, our trip down the rabbit hole has been leading us, inevitably, to this episode. It’s in this episode that we reach a decisive inflection point. Nothing will be the same after this—maybe not even you.
Over the previous 18 episodes, I have done my best to make the case, not only that the UFO phenomenon is real, but that the complexity, ubiquity, and unintelligibility of the phenomenon are so great as to suggest that many of our most fundamental assumptions about the nature of reality itself may be incorrect.
This episode is my closing argument in the case of The Phenomenon vs. Consensus Reality. And when it’s done, I hope that you’ll agree with me that it’s time to burn it all down. Or at the very least, I hope you’ll agree that perhaps it’s time to consider some new models of reality that have the potential to reintroduce meaning and intelligibility into our broken world where impossible things won’t stop happening.
In this episode, we’ll begin by talking about what’s broken with our current models including the Big Bang, the hard problem of consciousness, quantum mechanics, and space-time. And we begin to ask, what do our broken models suggest about the nature of the cave that we find ourselves in? And what does all of this have to do with UFOs?
LISTEN TO THESE EPISODES FIRST
If these ideas are new to you, you might find it helpful to go back and listen to the previous two episodes to get greater context.
Ep 17: An Interview with Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka: https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-17-an-interview-with-dr-diana-walsh-pasulka/
Ep 18: An Interview with Dr. James Madden: https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-18-an-interview-with-dr-james-madden-philosophy-ufos/
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Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
Music Break: Digital Abyss by Stephen Keech
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:30 Introduction
00:04:03 The “Official Story of Everything”
00:07:00 The Dream of the Cave
00:13:55 Everything You Know Is Wrong
00:19:45 The Big Bang
00:29:28 The Ghost in the Machine
00:37:35 Music Break
00:38:32 The Hard Problem of Consciousness
00:45:52 Quantum Mechanics Breaks Everything
00:55:22 Space-Time Is Doomed
00:57:35 The Emperor Has No Clothes
01:01:25 The Walls of the Cave")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 7: Mr. Delonge Goes To Washington [Part 2]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PNq0RCvJ0Qc/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 7: Mr. Delonge Goes To Washington [Part 2]
In this episode, we pick up with Tom Delonge where we left off in Part 1 — with the stunning and unlikely events that led to the formation of the To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences and the ultimately to the Pentagon’s admission that UFOs are real.
So what happened to TTSA? What are the original TTSA members (including Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, Jim Semivan, Hal Puthoff, and Steve Justice) doing now? In this episode we’ll get an update.
We’ll also explore why it is, that despite his astonishing success and ultimate vindication that Tom Delonge continues to be a controversial figure in the UFO community.
And finally, we’ll get to the part that everyone has been waiting for — what does Tom Delonge believe about the UFO phenomenon? It’s been confirmed that Delonge’s advisors within the government weren’t just real, but they are the very people who would know what secrets the government might be hiding about UFOs. So with this insider knowledge and guidance, one has to assume that what Delonge says publicly about his beliefs surrounding the phenomena has been shaped significantly by his exposure to and briefings by these individuals.
Which is exactly why what Tom Delonge has to say about UFOs is so shocking. You won’t want to miss this one.
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Hear the full interview of Ross Coulthart on Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal: https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
TIMESTAMPS
01:16 Intro
01:54 Where Is To The Stars Academy Now?
05:01 What does Lou Elizondo say about Tom Delonge and TTSA?
09:06 Why Is Tom Delonge A Controversial Figure In The UFO Community?
09:15 Reason 1: He’s Tom Delonge
11:06 Reason 2: People are jealous
13:02 Reason 3: He’s making money.
17:25 Reason 4: Why Tom Delonge?
18:34 Reason 5: Everyone hates the military-industrial complex.
24:38 What Does Tom Delonge Believe (and why it freaks Ross Coulthart out)?
33:16 The Universe According To Tom Delonge
33:28 God
33:56 Humans & The Others
34:31 Atlantis
35:00 “gods with a little ‘g’”
35:43 Religion & Cargo Cults
36:35 Roswell, Other Crashes & the Beginning of UFO Secrecy
37:38 Cold War
37:58 Disinformation Campaigns
38:16 What did we find on the Moon?
38:32 Alien Abductions, Cattle Mutilations & Demons
38:46 What is special about humans?
39:16 A black pyramid underground in Alaska
39:38 Conclusion
Episode Reading List:
Sekret Machines: Gods: Volume 1 of Gods Man & War (Gods, Man & War) by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda
Sekret Machines: Man: Sekret Machines Gods, Man, and War Volume 2 by Tom Delonge and Peter Lavenda
Sekret Machines Book One: Chasing Shadows by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley
Sekret Machines Book Two: A Fire Within by Tom DeLonge & A.J. Hartley")
![The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 6]: What If The Moon… Isn’t A Moon? #moonmystery #whobuiltthemoon](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PXDuwqbgPdQ/mqdefault.jpg "The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 6]: What If The Moon… Isn’t A Moon? #moonmystery #whobuiltthemoon
🌗 Some scientists argue it doesn’t meet the definition. It’s too big relative to Earth. Its gravitational pull is strong enough to tug back on us.
And its orbital path? It doesn’t neatly circle Earth—it moves in near-perfect synchrony with us around the Sun.
Isaac Asimov even called it more of a co-planet than a satellite. Maybe it’s time to rethink what the Moon really is.
🌑 Follow for Part 7: Because no one—not even NASA—knows where the Moon actually came from.
#MoonMystery #BinaryPlanet #IsTheMoonAMoon #CelestialMechanics #HiddenInPlainSight #TheMoonIsWeird #Cosmosis #HighStrangeness #AltScience #SpaceTikTok #IsaacAsimov")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 20: An Interview with Dr. Iya Whiteley feat. Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/S9UgPT8Qmtc/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 20: An Interview with Dr. Iya Whiteley feat. Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka
Today I’m bringing you something really special. A few weeks ago, Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka reached out to connect me with someone she thought I might be interested in interviewing for the podcast. Her name is Dr. Iya Whiteley and she is a space psychologist who is featured in Diana’s upcoming book due out in November entitled, Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences.
Given the respect that I have for Diana and her work, her recommendation alone would have been enough for me to say yes. But the more she shared with me about Dr. Whiteley and her work, it became clear to me that this was an interview that I absolutely had to do.
This conversation touched me deeply, and I hope it speaks to you the way that it spoke to me.
MEET DR. IYA WHITELEY
Dr. Iya Whiteley is a training developer for Astronauts with a background in Clinical Psychology and Cognitive Engineering. She leverages her skills and expertise, combined with her own insights and experiences as a pilot, skydiver, and scuba diver, to design both equipment and training programmes to improve the performance of highly trained professionals in extreme environments, including military pilots and astronauts.
Iya has also worked at the European Astronaut Centre (European Space Agency) in Cologne, Germany and now collaborates with NASA and the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Centre in Star City, Russia.
Since having her own children, Iya has been using her unique skillset to work on laying the groundwork for a universal “Earth language”. To this end, she has designed high contrast black and white visual books for newborns to tap into their full developmental potential and give them the best possible start on our unique planet Earth.
MEET DR. DIANA WALSH PASULKA
Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka is a professor of religious studies and Chair of the Department of Philosophy and Religion at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington. She holds a bachelor’s from UC Davis, a master’s from Berkeley, and a Ph.D. from Syracuse University. She is the author of Heaven Can Wait: Purgatory in Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture and American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology, which we will be discussing in this interview.
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https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-20-an-interview-with-dr-iya-whiteley-feat-dr-diana-walsh-pasulka/
DR. IYA WHITELEY LINKS
Get Dr. Whiteley’s Earth Design Books for Babies: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Iya-Whiteley/author/B01EX2F9N8?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
Follow Dr. Iya Whiteley on Twitter: https://twitter.com/IyaWhiteley
DR. DIANA PASULKA LINKS
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology: https://a.co/d/gS8wHxn
Encounters: Explorations with Extraterrestrial and Other Non-Human Intelligence (Out Nov. 7, 2023): https://a.co/d/4g3LQHC
Follow Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwpasulka
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
TIMESTAMPS
00:00:30 Intro
00:05:47 How Diana met Iya
00:08:20 How do you become a space psychologist?
00:11:23 How Iya uses her experience as a pilot, skydiver, and scuba diver to inform her work with regard to extreme working environments
00:19:25 What is cognitive engineering?
00:21:00 Iya’s recommendations for improving UAP reporting based on her work improving the “shame and blame” culture of the aviation industry
00:22:30 The “ghost in the cockpit”
00:32:57 Differences in UAP reporting between pilots and astronauts
00:35:54 Iya’s work with the UAP Human Factors Task Force
00:43:09 The Overview Effect
00:46:40 How the recognition of the Earth as a single organism informs Iya’s work in creating a universal “Earth language”
00:52:17 How Iya is creating an “Earth language”
01:00:12 What does the Earth language look like?
01:03:57 How could exposure to this Earth language change how we communicate moving forward?
01:11:18 Lost human knowledge and capabilities
01:14:25 The people working behind the scenes on cutting-edge, future facing science
01:16:59 How the Earth language creates new, meaningful connections between babies and their loved ones
01:19:26 Is the Earth language being created or discovered?
01:22:56 Why Iya included traditional songs in her Earth sounds
01:26:25 Could the Earth language potentially be used to communicate with nature, including animals, trees, etc?
01:29:54 Would the Earth language be intelligible to non-Earth intelligences?
01:37:22 What it takes to be a true innovator")
