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In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern UFO contact experiences.
From levitating saints and the mysterious Woman in Blue to redacted mystical narratives and the ontological shock of encountering the impossible, Diana reveals surprising links between ancient religious experiences and contemporary reports of contact with non-human intelligences. She also speaks candidly about her own transformation, the eerie resonances between the sacred and the anomalous, and her collaboration with figures like Tyler D. and Dr. Garry Nolan on the frontier of space, consciousness, and belief.
This episode includes the full live Q&A with Diana—where she responds to insightful (and sometimes wild) audience questions about redaction, religious symbolism, and whether spiritual devotion might offer protection from malevolent entities.
Books by Diana Walsh Pasulka
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology: amzn.to/4bUc1B1
Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences: amzn.to/3NLlsuF
The Others: UFOs, AI, and the Secret Forces Guiding Human Destiny: amzn.to/4t1ezF3
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TIMESTAMPS
06:10 Exploring Ascent Narratives and UFOs
08:37 Investigating Vatican Archives and Levitation
12:28 Comparing Historical and Modern Phenomena
21:40 Theresa of Avila's Angel Event
28:42 Synchronicities and Childhood Beliefs
29:39 Meeting Edward Carlos: An Experiencer's Story
31:10 The Process of Redaction
32:54 Historical Context and Space Programs
35:30 St. Francis of Assisi's Angel Experience
42:50 Q&A Session
53:15 Closing Remarks and Resources
In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern UFO contact experiences.
From levitating saints and the mysterious Woman in Blue to redacted mystical narratives and the ontological shock of encountering the impossible, Diana reveals surprising links between ancient religious experiences and contemporary reports of contact with non-human intelligences. She also speaks candidly about her own transformation, the eerie resonances between the sacred and the anomalous, and her collaboration with figures like Tyler D. and Dr. Garry Nolan on the frontier of space, consciousness, and belief.
This episode includes the full live Q&A with Diana—where she responds to insightful (and sometimes wild) audience questions about redaction, religious symbolism, and whether spiritual devotion might offer protection from malevolent entities.
Books by Diana Walsh Pasulka
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology: amzn.to/4bUc1B1
Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences: amzn.to/3NLlsuF
The Others: UFOs, AI, and the Secret Forces Guiding Human Destiny: amzn.to/4t1ezF3
🔗 Learn more about Diana’s work and online courses: dwpasulka.com
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TIMESTAMPS
06:10 Exploring Ascent Narratives and UFOs
08:37 Investigating Vatican Archives and Levitation
12:28 Comparing Historical and Modern Phenomena
21:40 Theresa of Avila's Angel Event
28:42 Synchronicities and Childhood Beliefs
29:39 Meeting Edward Carlos: An Experiencer's Story
31:10 The Process of Redaction
32:54 Historical Context and Space Programs
35:30 St. Francis of Assisi's Angel Experience
42:50 Q&A Session
53:15 Closing Remarks and Resources
![[Cosmosis] Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JfwIlrLVyLs/mqdefault.jpg "[Cosmosis] Ep 6: Diana Walsh Pasulka on Levitation, Redaction, and the Ontological Shock of Contact
In this episode of Cosmosis, we share a never-before-released talk by Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, recorded live at the Inquire Anomalous conference in New York City. Diana—religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic and Encounters—takes us on an astonishing journey through her research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern UFO contact experiences.
From levitating saints and the mysterious Woman in Blue to redacted mystical narratives and the ontological shock of encountering the impossible, Diana reveals surprising links between ancient religious experiences and contemporary reports of contact with non-human intelligences. She also speaks candidly about her own transformation, the eerie resonances between the sacred and the anomalous, and her collaboration with figures like Tyler D. and Dr. Garry Nolan on the frontier of space, consciousness, and belief.
This episode includes the full live Q&A with Diana—where she responds to insightful (and sometimes wild) audience questions about redaction, religious symbolism, and whether spiritual devotion might offer protection from malevolent entities.
Books by Diana Walsh Pasulka
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology: https://amzn.to/4bUc1B1
Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences: https://amzn.to/3NLlsuF
The Others: UFOs, AI, and the Secret Forces Guiding Human Destiny: https://amzn.to/4t1ezF3
🔗 Learn more about Diana’s work and online courses: https://dwpasulka.com
Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:
https://www.cosmosis.media/
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Subscribe to Cosmosis:
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TIMESTAMPS
06:10 Exploring Ascent Narratives and UFOs
08:37 Investigating Vatican Archives and Levitation
12:28 Comparing Historical and Modern Phenomena
21:40 Theresa of Avilas Angel Event
28:42 Synchronicities and Childhood Beliefs
29:39 Meeting Edward Carlos: An Experiencers Story
31:10 The Process of Redaction
32:54 Historical Context and Space Programs
35:30 St. Francis of Assisis Angel Experience
42:50 Q&A Session
53:15 Closing Remarks and Resources")
![The Moon is Weird AF [Pt 7]: We Dont Know Where The Moon Came From?! #moonmystery #moonorigin](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JnthMrryncY/mqdefault.jpg "The Moon is Weird AF [Pt 7]: We Dont Know Where The Moon Came From?! #moonmystery #moonorigin
🌕 We’ve mapped it, landed on it, studied its rocks—and still, no one knows where the Moon came from.
Every major theory falls apart. The math doesn’t work. The physics don’t check out.
And the Moon and Earth? They’re isotopically identical. That shouldn’t be possible unless they’re twins.
So what are we missing?
Follow for Part 8: Because some scientists are starting to ask… what if the Moon was placed here?
#MoonMystery #WhereDidTheMoonComeFrom #Cosmosis #MoonOrigin #HighStrangeness #Astrophysics #HiddenInPlainSight #SpaceTikTok #AltScience #TheMoonIsWeird #CaptureTheory #GiantImpactHypothesis")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JxITYHmZTvE/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep. 37: James Madden [Pt. 5]: The Death Drive & Disclosure
In this episode of the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast, host Kelly Chase returns from a hiatus with a brand new conversation with James Madden. The episode explores themes of psychoanalysis, epistemic vulnerability, and the psychological motivations behind belief systems in ufology. Together, Kelly and Jim ponder the deeper implications of mind control, trauma, and the symbolic nature of our cultural fascination with UFOs, aiming to navigate the complex landscape of human inquiry and understanding.
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TIMESTAMPS
01:02 Upcoming Documentary and Personal Transformation
02:27 A New Direction for the Podcast
02:44 Conversation with Dr. James Madden
04:35 Dr. Maddens Recent Work and Psychoanalysis
06:36 Freudian Insights and Human Motivation
10:37 Epistemic Vulnerability and Belief Systems
15:07 Challenges in Ufology and Disclosure
22:20 Language, Belief, and Mind Control
25:41 Reflecting on Personal Beliefs
26:26 Freuds Death Drive and Trauma Reenactment
29:52 The Addictive Nature of Unfulfilled Promises
31:08 Comparing Ufology to Sports Fandom
33:18 Personal Struggles and Finding Meaning in Danger
35:21 Cultural and Political Outrage Cycles
40:28 Symbolism in Dreams and Collective Psyche
44:29 The Unending Human Project and Self-Destruction
46:29 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 5: The Interdimensional & Ultraterrestrial Hypotheses](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K_nWPzfZnmI/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 5: The Interdimensional & Ultraterrestrial Hypotheses
Although the UFO phenomenon tends to be associated with aliens, there are a few even more fantastical theories about its origins.
Many of most respected scientists and researchers in ufology dont think that the evidence points to any of the more conventional explanations — and that whoever is creating UFOs might not be from the stars at all, but from right here on Earth.
But how could an advanced civilization be here without our knowledge? In this episode we explore the possible answers.
Music: Eleven Hours A Night by Yehezkel Raz
https://yehezkelraz.com/
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:14 Jacques Valleé & J. Allen Hynek
00:10:10 Valleé’s 5 Arguments Against The Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis
00:10:46 Argument 1 - The Reports Are Too Numerous
00:12:11 Argument 2 - Humanoid “Aliens” Are Not Likely To Have Originated On Another Planet
00:13:00 Argument 3 - The Behavior Of These Beings Doesn’t Make Sense
00:14:46 Argument 4 - The Phenomenon Has Been Present Throughout Recorded Human History
00:16:51 Argument 5 - The Technology Suggests Something More Than Extraterrestrial
00:17:44 Valleé’s New Hypotheses
00:18:10 The Interdimensional Hypothesis
00:19:50 The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis
00:20:59 Is The UFO Phenomenon A Control Mechanism?
00:24:06 Music Break
00:25:30 Do Other Dimensions Exist?
00:25:52 The Double Slit Experiment Revisited
00:29:43 The Copenhagen Interpretation
00:32:23 The Many Worlds Interpretation
00:34:01 Grappling With Infinity
00:34:58 The Free Will Problem
00:36:49 Infinity And The Self
00:37:24 An Unprovable Hypothesis
00:39:00 What About The Multiverse? Is The Multiverse The Same As Many Worlds?
00:39:57 Problems With The Multiverse Theory
00:44:00 String Theory And The 11th Dimension
00:45:26 The Verdict On The Interdimensional Hypothesis
00:47:23 Could Paranormal Phenomena Be Interdimensional?
00:49:15 Music Break
00:50:16 The Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis
00:50:25 Lue Elizondo & Chains Of The Sea
00:53:54 Could There Be Species On Earth We Don’t Know About?
00:54:12 Cryptids That Turned Out To Be Real
00:57:07 Where Could Cryptids and Ultraterrestrial Species Hide?
00:57:36 Possibility 1 - Other Universes/Dimensions
00:58:06 Possibility 2 - Underwater
00:58:22 Our Unexplored Oceans
00:59:31 UFOs & Water
01:01:07 The Mystery Of Lake Baikal
01:03:22 Possibility 3 - Underground
01:05:35 Hollow Earth
01:07:32 Fuck Cynicism
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 33: An Interview with Whitley Strieber: On Communion with NHIs](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KuG1CMg8UTc/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 33: An Interview with Whitley Strieber: On Communion with NHIs
Content Warning: Sexual assault
In this episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with someone that I regard to be one of the best minds and brightest lights in this field, Whitley Strieber. Whitley Strieber is an author of both fiction and nonfiction books, perhaps the most famous of which is his pioneering 1987 book Communion, which detailed his experience of abduction that occurred in the winter of 1985. Since then, Whitley has made many other contributions to the field including his most recent book entitled Them, and the book Super Natural which he co-wrote with Jeffrey J. Kripal, both of which have been referenced several times on this podcast. Whitley is also the host of the long-running Dreamland podcast. You can find links to all of this and more in the episode brief.
Whitley’s work has been instrumental to my thinking and growth in this space, and I’m so grateful for both his courage and generosity in sharing his time and his insights.
EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-33-an-interview-with-whitley-strieber-on-communion-with-non-human-intelligences/
MORE FROM WHITLEY STRIEBER
Books by Whitley Strieber: https://www.unknowncountry.com/shop/whitleys-books/
Dreamland Podcast: https://www.unknowncountry.com/podcasts/dreamland
Unknown Country: https://www.unknowncountry.com
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Terrible, Glorious, & Useful by Trevor Shikaze
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![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Whistleblower David Grusch Reveals Existence of UFO Crash Retrieval Program](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LElDrPFmXZk/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Whistleblower David Grusch Reveals Existence of UFO Crash Retrieval Program
On Monday, June 5th, 2023, a story was published by The Debrief presenting claims from the first whistleblower to step forward publicly since the passing of UAP whistleblower legislation with the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act a few months ago. This whistleblower, David Charles Rusch, is a high-level member of the intelligence community, and he is claiming to have knowledge of special access programs that have recovered non-human technological craft.
Later that same day, an excerpt from an interview with the whistleblower conducted by investigative journalist, Ross Coulthart, was aired on NewsNation in which Rusch made even more shocking claims—including the allegation that the US has also recovered the bodies of the non-human pilots of these craft.
In this episode we do a deep dive into this story, doing our best to frame it within the great context of the disclosure movement, and ask the question: what does all this mean? And can what David Grusch is saying really be true?
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson")
![The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 1] #science #moon #space](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OF535uLYU1U/mqdefault.jpg "The Moon Is Weird AF [Pt 1] #science #moon #space
🌓 We all think we know the Moon. But what if that familiarity is an illusion?
Too big. Too close. Too perfect. Scientists can’t fully explain where it came from—or why it’s so essential to life.
This isn’t just fringe conspiracy talk. Once you start digging into the science, the strangeness becomes undeniable.
🌕 Follow for Part 2: Did we really land on the Moon… or was something waiting for us when we got there?
#TheMoonIsWeird #UFOs #SpaceMysteries #Anomalous #Cosmosis #ScienceTikTok #MoonConspiracy #HighStrangeness #MysteryTok #AltHistory #SpiritualTikTok #ConspiracyTok #HiddenInPlainSight")
![Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality [Trailer]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PDYxoKYvUoQ/mqdefault.jpg "Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality [Trailer]
Cosmosis is available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Fandango at Home, Vimeo, YouTube, and Google Play. Learn more at https://Cosmosis.Media.
As people and governments around the world come to terms with the reality of the UFO phenomenon, top experts in science, philosophy, religious studies, and more are grappling with its implications for humanity. Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality explores how these revelations challenge our understanding of history, non-human intelligence, and the future. Through interviews with leading researchers and experiencers, this docuseries uncovers the latest evidence and theories, offering a fresh perspective on how these discoveries could reshape society and our place in the cosmos.
Featuring:
Diana Walsh Pasulka, PhD
Whitley Strieber
Jeffrey Kripal, PhD
Michael Masters, PhD
Mario Woods
Alex Dietrich
James Madden, PhD
Iya Whiteley PhD
Kelly Chase
Jay Christopher King
Stephen Finley, PhD
Paul H. Smith, PhD
Daniel Elizondo
James Iandoli
Greg Bishop
Joshua Cutchin
Robin Lassiter
Max McCabe
And introducing:
Courtney Leffall
Directed by
Jay Christopher King
Written by
Kelly Chase w/ Jay Christopher King
Consulting Producer
Jeffrey Kripal
Edited by
Zev Deans
Music by
Michael Rubino
Animations by
Fin Handley
Executive Producers
Jordan Flowers
Kelly Chase
Jay Christopher King
Teddy Jones")
