Uploaded November 2018 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
CORRECTIONS:
1) 11:30 -- Estonia's electricity is not mostly coal-powered, it is mostly oil-shale powered. They both produce large amounts of CO2, so the point is the same. The result is that electric cars powered by the Estonian grid are much less green than in France.
2) The photo of the 'lithium mine' is a diamond mine, according to National Geographic. However, a real lithium mine in Western Australia looks almost identical: wattelectricalnews.com/NEWS/Lithium-Mining-Delivers-BIG-for-WA,-Increased-Spodumene-Production/46120
SOURCES ARE BELOW
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SOURCES:
0:00 -- louderwithcrowder.com/watch-electric-cars-are-stupid-theyre-not-green-after-all
1:17 -- youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU&t=138s
2:29 -- shrinkthatfootprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Shades-of-Green-Full-Report.pdf
3:44 – “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” – Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
3:49 – afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php
4:45 – “Comparative environmental life cycle assessment of conventional and electric vehicles” – Hawkins et al., Journal of Industrial Ecology, 2013.
7:20 -- “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” – Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
7:50 -- “Comparative environmental life cycle assessment of conventional and electric vehicles” – Hawkins et al., Journal of Industrial Ecology, 2013.
7:59 – “America's Diesel Car Market Gets Even Smaller” bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/with-mercedes-exit-u-s-diesel-car-market-shrinks-even-more
8:02 -- scientificamerican.com/article/why-european-diesel-cars
8:06 – Fuel economy figures come from the Hawkins study: “68.5 milliliter/kilometer (mL/km) for the gasoline ICEV, and 53.5 mL/km for the diesel ICEV.” This translates to 6.85 and 5.35 liters per kilometer respectively. According to pacificwebsites.com/Convert_Miles_per_Gallon_to_Liters_per_100_Kilometers.htm
this is equivalent to 42 mpg for the gasoline car and 53 mpg for the diesel.
8:20 --fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2018&year2=2019&mclass=Small+Cars&srchtyp=newMarket&sortBy=Make&rowLimit=200&tabView=0&pageno=1
8:59 -- usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/02/18/electric-car-benefits-air-myths-pollution-health-column/23641729
9:08 -- fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?zipCode=10011&year=2014&vehicleId=34775&action=bt3
9:17 – “Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave” -- Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
9:47 – Ibid.
10:15 - computerworld.com/article/2604352/if-tesla-s-gigafactory-can-run-on-100-renewable-energy-why-can-t-others.html
10:29 –“Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave” -- Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
10:44 -- nationalgeographic.com/environment/great-energy-challenge/2012/how-to-compare-the-cost-of-electric-and-gas-cars
10:53 -- : europeanclimate.org/levehicule-electrique-dans-latransition-
ecologique-enfrance
10:55 -- europeanclimate.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Electric_vehicles_ENG_AW_WEB.pdf
11:19 -- eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=18071
12:46 – “Life cycle air quality impacts of conventional and alternative light-duty transportation in the United States” Tessum et al 2014
14:57 -- eia.gov/energyexplained/index.php?page=electricity_in_the_united_states text
14:58 -- “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” – Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
15:04 – Ibid.
15:54 -- Annual Energy Outlook 2015 – EIA
16:12 -- ucsusa.org/clean-energy/coal-and-other-fossil-fuels/environmental-impacts-of-natural-gas#.W-vfhXozbBI
16:16 -- eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=73&t=11
16:29 -- Annual Energy Outlook 2015 – EIA
17:23 -- Annual Energy Outlook 2018 – EIA
19:17 -- theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study
19:24 --reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S030626191731526X?token=65377D86D6C3FA7CD89421105211D278428A464B337DA2ECAFD31074B424AA34BEF95131B4F4C0EC6F6DFDF20A09E0E3
CORRECTIONS:
1) 11:30 -- Estonia's electricity is not mostly coal-powered, it is mostly oil-shale powered. They both produce large amounts of CO2, so the point is the same. The result is that electric cars powered by the Estonian grid are much less green than in France.
2) The photo of the 'lithium mine' is a diamond mine, according to National Geographic. However, a real lithium mine in Western Australia looks almost identical: wattelectricalnews.com/NEWS/Lithium-Mining-Delivers-BIG-for-WA,-Increased-Spodumene-Production/46120
SOURCES ARE BELOW
If you would like to support this channel financially, I don't need the money. I make these videos if people donate to a charity I strongly endorse called Health in Harmony. It’s building clinics in Borneo that provide affordable health care to villages in return for a pledge not to cut down trees. The pledges are monitored, and the result is a dramatic decrease in deforestation rates and an increase in the health of the local population.
You can make a donation here…
healthinharmony.org/donate
See psmag.com/social-justice/save-the-trees-well-save-your-life-46121 for an explanation of their work for details.
SOURCES:
0:00 -- louderwithcrowder.com/watch-electric-cars-are-stupid-theyre-not-green-after-all
1:17 -- youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU&t=138s
2:29 -- shrinkthatfootprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Shades-of-Green-Full-Report.pdf
3:44 – “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” – Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
3:49 – afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php
4:45 – “Comparative environmental life cycle assessment of conventional and electric vehicles” – Hawkins et al., Journal of Industrial Ecology, 2013.
7:20 -- “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” – Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
7:50 -- “Comparative environmental life cycle assessment of conventional and electric vehicles” – Hawkins et al., Journal of Industrial Ecology, 2013.
7:59 – “America's Diesel Car Market Gets Even Smaller” bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/with-mercedes-exit-u-s-diesel-car-market-shrinks-even-more
8:02 -- scientificamerican.com/article/why-european-diesel-cars
8:06 – Fuel economy figures come from the Hawkins study: “68.5 milliliter/kilometer (mL/km) for the gasoline ICEV, and 53.5 mL/km for the diesel ICEV.” This translates to 6.85 and 5.35 liters per kilometer respectively. According to pacificwebsites.com/Convert_Miles_per_Gallon_to_Liters_per_100_Kilometers.htm
this is equivalent to 42 mpg for the gasoline car and 53 mpg for the diesel.
8:20 --fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2018&year2=2019&mclass=Small+Cars&srchtyp=newMarket&sortBy=Make&rowLimit=200&tabView=0&pageno=1
8:59 -- usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/02/18/electric-car-benefits-air-myths-pollution-health-column/23641729
9:08 -- fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?zipCode=10011&year=2014&vehicleId=34775&action=bt3
9:17 – “Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave” -- Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
9:47 – Ibid.
10:15 - computerworld.com/article/2604352/if-tesla-s-gigafactory-can-run-on-100-renewable-energy-why-can-t-others.html
10:29 –“Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave” -- Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
10:44 -- nationalgeographic.com/environment/great-energy-challenge/2012/how-to-compare-the-cost-of-electric-and-gas-cars
10:53 -- : europeanclimate.org/levehicule-electrique-dans-latransition-
ecologique-enfrance
10:55 -- europeanclimate.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Electric_vehicles_ENG_AW_WEB.pdf
11:19 -- eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=18071
12:46 – “Life cycle air quality impacts of conventional and alternative light-duty transportation in the United States” Tessum et al 2014
14:57 -- eia.gov/energyexplained/index.php?page=electricity_in_the_united_states text
14:58 -- “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” – Union of Concerned Scientists, Nov 2015
15:04 – Ibid.
15:54 -- Annual Energy Outlook 2015 – EIA
16:12 -- ucsusa.org/clean-energy/coal-and-other-fossil-fuels/environmental-impacts-of-natural-gas#.W-vfhXozbBI
16:16 -- eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=73&t=11
16:29 -- Annual Energy Outlook 2015 – EIA
17:23 -- Annual Energy Outlook 2018 – EIA
19:17 -- theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study
19:24 --reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S030626191731526X?token=65377D86D6C3FA7CD89421105211D278428A464B337DA2ECAFD31074B424AA34BEF95131B4F4C0EC6F6DFDF20A09E0E3


![2013 coveted GOLDEN CROCODUCK - time to vote!
Voting now begins for the 6th annual coveted Golden Crocoduck. The award is given for the biggest breach of the 9th Commandment in pursuit of the creationist cause. Five nominees made it to the final voting list, and I have highlighted them all throughout the year.
To vote, please visit http://tiny.cc/crocoduck
The winner will be announced on October 28, the Feast Day of St Jude Thaddeus, patron saint of lost causes.
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![12 - Doubled CO2 means just 1.64 degrees of warming... or maybe not.
Last week a paper by researchers at NASAs Goddard Institute for Space Studies led to sensational headlines that the Earth will only warm by as much as 1.64 degrees centigrade in a couple of centuries. Sound too good to be true? Of course it does.
Ive put this video together faster than I normally would because the myth has already gone viral. But its so easy to spot the flaws you have to wonder why people who call themselves skeptics arent skeptical enough to check even the most basic facts.
CORRECTION:
Cbrhawk1 points out an error at around 3:15. He writes: [Potholer] applies a subtractive 0.26C to the 4.5C estimate of the IPCC rather than properly applying the feedback to the formula. My response: The paper doesnt show how to apply the formula to other models, which is why I subtracted the 0.26 degC figure directly. However, I agree with Cbrhawk1 that it is not that simple, because higher temperatures would presumably lead to higher evapotranspiration rates. If we apply the figure pro-rata, then warming of 4.5 degrees would be reduced to 3.9 degrees.
I have no argument with that at all; evapotranspiration is a negative feedback, and the paper shows that it is greater than previously estimated. The point of this video is to debunk the absurd conclusion that global temperatures are only set to rise by 1.64 degrees because of evapotranspiration. The focus of the study was not to determine global temps but to quantify the negative feedback effects of evapotranspiration. Since the model started with a low warming figure, it resulted in a low warming figure when evapotranspiration was plugged in. Had the model started with a higher warming figure, it would have resulted in a higher warming figure when evapotranspiration was plugged in.
SOURCES:
Original myth published in:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/08/new_model_doubled_co2_sub_2_degrees_warming/
Greener Climate Prediction Shows Plants Slow Warming
NASA press release
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/cooling-plant-growth.html
Original paper:
Quantifying the negative feedback of vegetation to greenhouse warming: A modeling approach
L. Bounoua et al, Geophysical Research Letters, Dec 2010
Bio of Lewis Page:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/lewis-page
Mauna Loa CO2 growth data:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth
from economic activity, carbon intensity, and
efficiency of natural sinks
J. Canadell, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 2007
Probabilistic Forecast for 21st Century Climate Based on Uncertainties in Emissions (without Policy) and Climate Parameters
A.P. Sokolov et al, MIT 2009
Myth from the Register repeated:
http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2010/12/14/new-nasa-model-doubled-co2-means-just-1-64%C2%B0c-warming/
...and again...
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/219487-New-NASA-model-Doubled-CO2-means-just-1-64C-warming
...and again...
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9045/New-NASA-model-Doubled-CO2-means-just-164degC-warming-Previous-models-failed-to-properly-account-for-an-important-cooling-factor-which-will-come-into-play-as-CO2-levels-rise
...and again...
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/new-nasa-model-doubled-co2-means-just-1-64%C2%B0c-warming/
...and again...
NASA Peer-Reviewed Study Finds Low Sensitivity To CO2 Doubling: The UNs IPCC Global Warming Science Is Imploding
http://www.c3headlines.com/are-leftistsliberal-elites-corrupt-stupid-hypocritical/
...and again...
New NASA model: Doubled CO2 means just 1.64°C warming
http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/home/8241-new-nasa-model-doubled-co2-means-just-164dc-warming
...and again...
NASA Peer-Reviewed Study Finds Low Sensitivity To CO2 Doubling: The UNs IPCC Global Warming Science Is Imploding
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/12/nasa-peer-reviewed-study-finds-low-sensitivity-to-co2-doubling-the-uns-ipcc-global-warming-science-i.html
...and again...
Greenhouse Gasses Arent Going To Be A Problem For Centuries Say Scientists From NASA
http://rightwingnews.com/2010/12/greenhouse-gasses-arent-going-to-be-a-problem-for-centuries-say-scientists-from-nasa-wait-what/
Recent decline in the global land evapotranspiration trend due to limited moisture supply
M. Jung et al, Nature, October 2010 12 - Doubled CO2 means just 1.64 degrees of warming... or maybe not.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l3vIWD4tAHc/mqdefault.jpg)
