The Meaning Code | Wolfgang Smith & John Vervaeke: a Dialogos on Turning Toward a Science Grounded in Platonism @TheMeaningCode | Uploaded September 2022 | Updated October 2024, 2 hours ago.
If you prefer audio only, check out The Meaning Code on Spotify and Apple podcasts:
open.spotify.com/show/4v8GyhS0JNUfYAHpRE7IR3
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-meaning-code/id1631237209
Background material follows timestamps.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
03:19 The difference between physical and corporeal, the solution to the quantum enigma
07:25 The corporeal enters into the measurement problem through the measuring device
08:50 John describes relevance realization, the 4 P’s of knowing, emanation and emergence
13:45 Reality is structured with things emerging (returning to the One) and emanating (coming from the One
15:50 If the corporeal is not real, we lose conformity to Reality
17:05 We are both Platonists!
18:15 Studying Plato through the lens of the ancient thinkers
25:00 Why is James Gibson’s work important? How has it affected your work?
27:30 Wolfgang seeks to understand John’s ontology
32:00 Gibson and affordances - undermines nominalism. There are real relations
34:30 Opening the door to a new ontology
37:45 The vertical dimension cannot be excluded from the project of working out intelligibility
39:45 James Gibson’s reputation in the academic community is stellar among cognitive scientists but not among cognitive psychologists
44:00 Gibson’s breakthrough has still not penetrated into the physics world
51:00 Spinoza’s Religion
55:00 The undoing of nominalism and representationalism is epochal and we need to celebrate it.
1:01:30 The 1804 edition of Plato’s works with commentary by Thomas Taylor opens up a new way of understanding the ancient books. The Ptolemaic cosmology.
1:06:00 A quote from Cosmos and Transcendence
1:07:00 John discovering the Western wisdom tradition (convergence with Wolfgang)
1:20:15 Abandoning the view that all faiths look to the same source (Vedanta in the Light of Christian Wisdom)
1:28:50 John suggests we do this again!
Background material on Wolfgang Smith and John Vervaeke
A previous conversation with Wolfgang Smith
Solving the Quantum: a Vertical Ascent: youtu.be/8NWHGX53agc
Links to two of Wolfgang’s books:
philos-sophia.org/product/the-vertical-ascent
philos-sophia.org/vedanta-christian-wisdom
Wolfgang Smith (A sampling of his many books)
Vedanta in Light of Christian Wisdom
Physics: a Science in Quest of an Ontology
Vertical Ascent
Ancient Wisdom and Modern Misconceptions
Cosmos and Transcendence:
Breaking through the Barrier of Scientistic Belief
The Quantum Enigma: Finding the Hidden Key
Theistic Evolution: The Teilhardian Heresy
Science and Myth: A Response to Stephen Hawking's The Grand Design
and many others
And a movie made about his life:
The End of Quantum Reality, available on Amazon
An earlier discussion with physicist friend Glen on Wolfgang Smith's ideas about vertical causation as well as a bit about Stephen Wolfram.
Toy Story as Metaphor for Quantum Measurement Problem: youtu.be/dFqGjvocYPw
John Vervaeke
The full series of Awakening from The Meaning Crisis w John Vervaeke:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
John Vervaeke's 4 P's of Knowing
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuit-ucfcXN8QDPMc6DXbTHq
James J. Gibson
daughtersofchaos.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gibson_occluding-edge_1979.pdf
Karen's artwork:
karenwongart.com
If you prefer audio only, check out The Meaning Code on Spotify and Apple podcasts:
open.spotify.com/show/4v8GyhS0JNUfYAHpRE7IR3
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-meaning-code/id1631237209
Background material follows timestamps.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
03:19 The difference between physical and corporeal, the solution to the quantum enigma
07:25 The corporeal enters into the measurement problem through the measuring device
08:50 John describes relevance realization, the 4 P’s of knowing, emanation and emergence
13:45 Reality is structured with things emerging (returning to the One) and emanating (coming from the One
15:50 If the corporeal is not real, we lose conformity to Reality
17:05 We are both Platonists!
18:15 Studying Plato through the lens of the ancient thinkers
25:00 Why is James Gibson’s work important? How has it affected your work?
27:30 Wolfgang seeks to understand John’s ontology
32:00 Gibson and affordances - undermines nominalism. There are real relations
34:30 Opening the door to a new ontology
37:45 The vertical dimension cannot be excluded from the project of working out intelligibility
39:45 James Gibson’s reputation in the academic community is stellar among cognitive scientists but not among cognitive psychologists
44:00 Gibson’s breakthrough has still not penetrated into the physics world
51:00 Spinoza’s Religion
55:00 The undoing of nominalism and representationalism is epochal and we need to celebrate it.
1:01:30 The 1804 edition of Plato’s works with commentary by Thomas Taylor opens up a new way of understanding the ancient books. The Ptolemaic cosmology.
1:06:00 A quote from Cosmos and Transcendence
1:07:00 John discovering the Western wisdom tradition (convergence with Wolfgang)
1:20:15 Abandoning the view that all faiths look to the same source (Vedanta in the Light of Christian Wisdom)
1:28:50 John suggests we do this again!
Background material on Wolfgang Smith and John Vervaeke
A previous conversation with Wolfgang Smith
Solving the Quantum: a Vertical Ascent: youtu.be/8NWHGX53agc
Links to two of Wolfgang’s books:
philos-sophia.org/product/the-vertical-ascent
philos-sophia.org/vedanta-christian-wisdom
Wolfgang Smith (A sampling of his many books)
Vedanta in Light of Christian Wisdom
Physics: a Science in Quest of an Ontology
Vertical Ascent
Ancient Wisdom and Modern Misconceptions
Cosmos and Transcendence:
Breaking through the Barrier of Scientistic Belief
The Quantum Enigma: Finding the Hidden Key
Theistic Evolution: The Teilhardian Heresy
Science and Myth: A Response to Stephen Hawking's The Grand Design
and many others
And a movie made about his life:
The End of Quantum Reality, available on Amazon
An earlier discussion with physicist friend Glen on Wolfgang Smith's ideas about vertical causation as well as a bit about Stephen Wolfram.
Toy Story as Metaphor for Quantum Measurement Problem: youtu.be/dFqGjvocYPw
John Vervaeke
The full series of Awakening from The Meaning Crisis w John Vervaeke:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
John Vervaeke's 4 P's of Knowing
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuit-ucfcXN8QDPMc6DXbTHq
James J. Gibson
daughtersofchaos.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gibson_occluding-edge_1979.pdf
Karen's artwork:
karenwongart.com
