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You may have heard of hormesis — the idea that intentionally embracing small stressors activates the body’s repair and defense systems, building resilience, improving how the body and even the microbiome function, and ultimately protecting against the harms of chronic stress.
We typically think of these hormetic stressors in terms of things like exercising, taking ice baths, sitting in a sauna, and ingesting certain plant compounds. But you ought to consider adding socializing to that list.
As my guest today explains, while we tend to avoid socializing as we do all stressors — even the good ones — it's something that can strengthen our health, resilience, immunity, and sense of meaning. Jeffrey Hall, professor of communication studies and co-author of The Social Biome: How Everyday Communication Connects and Shapes Us (amzn.to/4pJVVQt) , joins me to discuss why relationships are harder to build in the modern world, how our adolescent approach to making friends needs to evolve, and why we must intentionally “exercise” our social muscles in a world where they'll otherwise atrophy.
Resources Related to the Podcast
• Jeffrey's previous appearance on the AoM podcast: Episode #772 — How Long Does It Take to Make Friends (And How Does That Process Work, Anyway)? (artofmanliness.com/people/relationships/how-long-does-it-take-to-make-friends-podcast/)
• AoM Article: 3 Things No One Ever Told You About Making Friends in Adulthood (artofmanliness.com/people/social-skills/3-things-no-one-ever-told-you-about-making-friends-in-adulthood/)
• AoM Article: The Importance of Developing and Maintaining Your Social Fitness (artofmanliness.com/people/social-skills/the-importance-of-developing-and-maintaining-your-social-fitness/)
• AoM Podcast #863: Key Insights From the Longest Study on Happiness (artofmanliness.com/people/relationships/podcast-863-key-insights-from-the-longest-study-on-happiness/)
• AoM Article: Love Is All You Need — Insights from the Longest Longitudinal Study on Men Ever Conducted (artofmanliness.com/people/family/love-is-all-you-need-insights-from-the-longest-longitudinal-study-on-men-ever-conducted/)
Connect With Jeffrey Hall
• KU’s Relationships and Technology Lab (https://randtlab.ku.edu/)
• Jeffrey's faculty page (https://coms.ku.edu/people/jeffrey-hall)
• Jeffrey on LinkedIn (linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-hall-31304572)
• Jeffrey on IG (instagram.com/jeffreyhallphd/?hl=en)
You may have heard of hormesis — the idea that intentionally embracing small stressors activates the body’s repair and defense systems, building resilience, improving how the body and even the microbiome function, and ultimately protecting against the harms of chronic stress.
We typically think of these hormetic stressors in terms of things like exercising, taking ice baths, sitting in a sauna, and ingesting certain plant compounds. But you ought to consider adding socializing to that list.
As my guest today explains, while we tend to avoid socializing as we do all stressors — even the good ones — it's something that can strengthen our health, resilience, immunity, and sense of meaning. Jeffrey Hall, professor of communication studies and co-author of The Social Biome: How Everyday Communication Connects and Shapes Us (amzn.to/4pJVVQt) , joins me to discuss why relationships are harder to build in the modern world, how our adolescent approach to making friends needs to evolve, and why we must intentionally “exercise” our social muscles in a world where they'll otherwise atrophy.
Resources Related to the Podcast
• Jeffrey's previous appearance on the AoM podcast: Episode #772 — How Long Does It Take to Make Friends (And How Does That Process Work, Anyway)? (artofmanliness.com/people/relationships/how-long-does-it-take-to-make-friends-podcast/)
• AoM Article: 3 Things No One Ever Told You About Making Friends in Adulthood (artofmanliness.com/people/social-skills/3-things-no-one-ever-told-you-about-making-friends-in-adulthood/)
• AoM Article: The Importance of Developing and Maintaining Your Social Fitness (artofmanliness.com/people/social-skills/the-importance-of-developing-and-maintaining-your-social-fitness/)
• AoM Podcast #863: Key Insights From the Longest Study on Happiness (artofmanliness.com/people/relationships/podcast-863-key-insights-from-the-longest-study-on-happiness/)
• AoM Article: Love Is All You Need — Insights from the Longest Longitudinal Study on Men Ever Conducted (artofmanliness.com/people/family/love-is-all-you-need-insights-from-the-longest-longitudinal-study-on-men-ever-conducted/)
Connect With Jeffrey Hall
• KU’s Relationships and Technology Lab (https://randtlab.ku.edu/)
• Jeffrey's faculty page (https://coms.ku.edu/people/jeffrey-hall)
• Jeffrey on LinkedIn (linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-hall-31304572)
• Jeffrey on IG (instagram.com/jeffreyhallphd/?hl=en)
