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0:00 The deal Hamas offered Bibi before October 7
11:50 How October 7 changed the landscape
22:34 Why Clinton’s Camp David talks failed
37:44 What Arafat was actually offered at Camp David
46:01 The centrality of the right of return
51:35 Beyond two states
55:57 Heading into OT: Abandoning false optimism is not pessimism

Discussed in Overtime:
Now what?
Does recognizing a Palestinian state help?
Palestinian civil disobedience.
Bob suggests a conspiracy theory to Rob.
The Israel lobby in American politics.
Why did Biden fail to restore the Iran deal?
What was Sinwar hoping for?

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Robert Malley (Yale - Jackson School of Global Affairs, Tomorrow is Yesterday). Recorded September 23, 2025.

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