Uploaded February 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Holly Elmore, executive director of PauseAI US, makes the case for naming and shaming people who are fueling an AI race whose perils they understand
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0:00 Teaser
1:10 Holly’s call-out campaign
4:10 Holly: Don’t believe the Amanda Askell puff pieces
12:31 Is Amanda a bad person?
22:41 How Dario’s false dichotomies accelerate the AI race
31:01 The only Anthropic through-line is "winning"
39:36 Did Dario subvert Effective Altruism?
42:45 The end of the AI safety fig leaf
47:11 Heading into Overtime: The pros and cons of naming and shaming
Discussed in Overtime:
How Holly’s call-out campaign began.
The Goodfire controversy.
The strategic risks of naming and shaming.
Why some people abandoned the AI Pause position.
The whistleblower escape hatch.
Was alignment always a chimera?
The strategic logic of naming and shaming.
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Holly Elmore (PauseAI US, hollyelmore.substack.com/). Recorded February 18, 2026.
Twitter: twitter.com/NonzeroPods
Holly Elmore, executive director of PauseAI US, makes the case for naming and shaming people who are fueling an AI race whose perils they understand
Subscribe to The NonZero Newsletter at: nonzero.org/subscribe
Exclusive Overtime discussion: nonzero.org/p/is-anthropic-misanthropic-robert
Join NonZero's Discord server: discord.gg/Zy4jAhTQMF
0:00 Teaser
1:10 Holly’s call-out campaign
4:10 Holly: Don’t believe the Amanda Askell puff pieces
12:31 Is Amanda a bad person?
22:41 How Dario’s false dichotomies accelerate the AI race
31:01 The only Anthropic through-line is "winning"
39:36 Did Dario subvert Effective Altruism?
42:45 The end of the AI safety fig leaf
47:11 Heading into Overtime: The pros and cons of naming and shaming
Discussed in Overtime:
How Holly’s call-out campaign began.
The Goodfire controversy.
The strategic risks of naming and shaming.
Why some people abandoned the AI Pause position.
The whistleblower escape hatch.
Was alignment always a chimera?
The strategic logic of naming and shaming.
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Holly Elmore (PauseAI US, hollyelmore.substack.com/). Recorded February 18, 2026.
Twitter: twitter.com/NonzeroPods
