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In this episode, we go inside one of the most dramatic collapses in modern business history: Nokia’s fall from smartphone king to also-ran—and the surprising force behind it.
Rather than a lack of talent, strategy, or intelligence, Prof. Quy Huy (INSEAD) and Prof. Timo Vuori (Aalto University) reveal how shared emotions—especially fear—reshaped what people paid attention to, what they reported upward, and what leaders could truly “see.” The result: critical warnings softened or unsaid, optimism trumping honesty, and a company that drifted into short-term fixes while long-term innovation slipped away.
We unpack the research behind the 2016 paper “Distributed Attention and Shared Emotions in the Innovation Process: How Nokia Lost the Smartphone Battle”, and connect it to leadership, psychological safety, and why organizations sometimes lose to themselves.
🎙️ Guests
Prof. Quy Huy — Chaired Professor of Strategy, INSEAD
Prof. Timo Vuori — Professor of Strategic Management, Aalto University
🧠 In this conversation
Why “where you sit” shapes what you notice—and what you don’t say
How fear gets misdirected (fear of competitors vs fear of your boss)
Why “psychological safety” can be necessary…but not sufficient
The hidden cost of “poker-face leadership” and toxic positivity
What leaders can do to build truth-telling systems (not just slogans)
00:00 Sponsor Message
00:23 Nokia Collapse Teaser
01:41 Meet The Researchers
02:48 Why Emotions Shape Strategy
05:22 Information Filters And Fear
14:21 Innovation Emotions And AI
20:35 Power Status And Leadership
24:19 Actions Create Shared Emotions
30:35 Misaligned Fear Inside Nokia
34:31 Psychological Safety Limits
41:38 Poker Face Culture And Burnout
48:56 Other Corporate Disasters
50:39 Teaching Takeaways And Wrap
54:04 Where To Find The Guests
55:06 Sponsor Closing
Find Quy
https://www.insead.edu/faculty-personal-site/quy-huy
https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/nokias-reinvention-was-emotionally-driven
Find Timo
research.aalto.fi/en/persons/timo-vuori
adaptivevolcano.com/about
Find Aidan McCullen, Ireland Keynote Speaker:
aidanmccullen.com
In this episode, we go inside one of the most dramatic collapses in modern business history: Nokia’s fall from smartphone king to also-ran—and the surprising force behind it.
Rather than a lack of talent, strategy, or intelligence, Prof. Quy Huy (INSEAD) and Prof. Timo Vuori (Aalto University) reveal how shared emotions—especially fear—reshaped what people paid attention to, what they reported upward, and what leaders could truly “see.” The result: critical warnings softened or unsaid, optimism trumping honesty, and a company that drifted into short-term fixes while long-term innovation slipped away.
We unpack the research behind the 2016 paper “Distributed Attention and Shared Emotions in the Innovation Process: How Nokia Lost the Smartphone Battle”, and connect it to leadership, psychological safety, and why organizations sometimes lose to themselves.
🎙️ Guests
Prof. Quy Huy — Chaired Professor of Strategy, INSEAD
Prof. Timo Vuori — Professor of Strategic Management, Aalto University
🧠 In this conversation
Why “where you sit” shapes what you notice—and what you don’t say
How fear gets misdirected (fear of competitors vs fear of your boss)
Why “psychological safety” can be necessary…but not sufficient
The hidden cost of “poker-face leadership” and toxic positivity
What leaders can do to build truth-telling systems (not just slogans)
00:00 Sponsor Message
00:23 Nokia Collapse Teaser
01:41 Meet The Researchers
02:48 Why Emotions Shape Strategy
05:22 Information Filters And Fear
14:21 Innovation Emotions And AI
20:35 Power Status And Leadership
24:19 Actions Create Shared Emotions
30:35 Misaligned Fear Inside Nokia
34:31 Psychological Safety Limits
41:38 Poker Face Culture And Burnout
48:56 Other Corporate Disasters
50:39 Teaching Takeaways And Wrap
54:04 Where To Find The Guests
55:06 Sponsor Closing
Find Quy
https://www.insead.edu/faculty-personal-site/quy-huy
https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/nokias-reinvention-was-emotionally-driven
Find Timo
research.aalto.fi/en/persons/timo-vuori
adaptivevolcano.com/about
Find Aidan McCullen, Ireland Keynote Speaker:
aidanmccullen.com









![Figma vs Adobe: Why Startups Beat Giants in the AI Era
🚀 Why did Figma outpace Adobe—and what does it teach us about AI, innovation, and the future of work?
In this episode of The Innovation Show, Aidan McCullen interviews bestselling author Sangeet Paul Choudary (Platform Revolution, Reshuffle) to unpack one of the most important shifts in business today: how AI, cloud-native startups, and mindset shifts are reshaping industries and careers.
👉 Learn why Adobe failed to rethink its architecture, how Figma reimagined design collaboration, and what this means for leaders, innovators, and professionals navigating the AI-driven knowledge economy.
🔑 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
• Why startups like Figma beat incumbents like Adobe
• How AI unbundles knowledge work and changes career paths
• The critical difference between adoption vs. adaptation
• Why governance workflows are the hidden driver of enterprise innovation
• How to prepare for the future of work by mastering the forgetting curve
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 Intro & Sponsor
02:00 Why incumbents misread new technologies
05:00 How AI reshapes the knowledge economy
09:00 The Figma vs Adobe case study explained
15:00 Why mindset matters more than tools
20:00 Governance-led vs execution-led workflows
27:00 The forgetting curve: unlearning in business
33:00 AI, jobs, and the future of careers
38:00 Closing thoughts & where to find Sangeet Paul Choudary
📚 Resources & Links
• Reshuffle: Who Wins When AI Reshapes the Knowledge Economy → https://amzn.to/3HWwj1I
• Platform Revolution → https://amzn.to/4mBq2aQ
• Sangeet’s Substack → https://substack.com/@platforms/posts
• Aidan’s show notes → https://thethursdaythought.substack.com
🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts & more → [link]
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