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Justin Goodman, a Senior Vice President at @WhiteCoatWaste was tarred as a racist and mocked as a conspiracy theorist for questioning Anthony Fauci’s experiments on animals at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, including so-called “gain of function” at a Wuhan virus lab. But four years later, the dust has settled, and he won. We talk about how it happened, and what the Fauci beagle story says about science, government, and the future of animal rights.
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-8:11 Intro: Justin Goodman of White Coat Waste Project (WCW Project), animals experiments under any political administration, & can DOGE (Department Of Government Efficiency) can save animals during the incoming Trump administration
Chapter 2) 8:12-22:08 On Fauci, on ending chimpanzee experiments, beagles experiments, and kitten experiments, how experiments on animals get funded by the government, & on Dr. Livingstone animal experiments
Chapter 3) 22:09-35:14 On why scientists and vivisectors overlook ethical concerns of experimenting on animals, how to stop funding unnecessary government research on animals, & John Gluck on Harry Harlow
Chapter 4) 35:15-40:42 How government funding experiments on animals started and continues
Chapter 5) 40:43-50:27 WCW Project investigating animal experiments and “respiratory illness” (Covid-19) in 2019 and Fauci, & zoonotic diseases from animal testing lab leaks and factory farm animals but not from wet markets
Chapter 6) 50:28-1:01:04 Public criticism toward Justin and WCW Project for saying animal testing lab leaks started Covid-19, & how Fauci lied that Covid-19 was not from animal testing lab leaks because he did not want government funding animal experiments to end
Chapter 7) 1:01:05-1:11:09 The trust and mistrust in government institutions especially during the pandemic, exposing Fauci and government officials lying about funding animal testing labs that caused Covid-19, & “the banality of evil” in animal research
Chapter 8) 1:11:10-1:28:30 WCW Project investigations (in 2021) exposing Fauci/NIH beagle testing, bipartisan and public criticism of Fauci/NIH, The Washington Post coverage lying WCW Project evidence of Fauci/NIH funding beagle testing, WCW Project FOIA requests for Fauci/NIH funding beagle testing, & The Washington Post published a weak retraction article that WCW Project evidence of Fauci/NIH lying but they did not correct prior false coverage
Chapter 9) 1:28:31-1:37:32 Justin’s communication with The Washington Post journalists, on mainstream media coverage, fear among activists in the animal rights movement, & on the Ridglan Farms Beagle case
Chapter 10) 1:37:33-1:43:34 Recent change in cultural and political perception of animal testing & on the closing of Envigo dog breed
Chapter 11) 1:43:35-1:54:17 What is the future for farmed animals compared to lab animals in the animal right movement, single-issue campaigns, & building relationships
Chapter 12) 1:54:18-1:57:47 Justin’s most important lessons for animal rights activists, & follow White Coat Waste Project and Justin on social media (links above)
Chapter 13) 1:57:48-1:58:03 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Articles/Books mentioned:
Newsweek “DOGE Can Save Dogs—and Tax Dollars | Opinion” by Rep. Greg Steube & Justin Goodman (United States Congressman from Florida; senior vice president at the government watchdog White Coat Waste Project)
newsweek.com/doge-can-save-dogs-tax-dollars-opinion-1992671
"Documents Link Potential Covid Patient Zero to U.S.-Funded Research in Wuhan" by Ryan Grim
theintercept.com/2023/06/17/covid-origin-wuhan-patient-zero
The Trial by Franz Kafka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial
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Follow White Coat Waste Project:
blog.whitecoatwaste.org
youtube.com/@WhiteCoatWaste
instagram.com/whitecoatwaste
linkedin.com/company/white-coat-waste-project
https://x.com/WhiteCoatWaste
facebook.com/whitecoatwaste
tiktok.com/@whitecoatwaste
threads.net/@whitecoatwaste
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Other links:
DOGE (Department Of Government Efficiency)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Efficiency
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Justin Goodman, a Senior Vice President at @WhiteCoatWaste was tarred as a racist and mocked as a conspiracy theorist for questioning Anthony Fauci’s experiments on animals at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, including so-called “gain of function” at a Wuhan virus lab. But four years later, the dust has settled, and he won. We talk about how it happened, and what the Fauci beagle story says about science, government, and the future of animal rights.
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Please subscribe and rate The Simple Heart Podcast!
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Follow White Coat Waste Project:
whitecoatwaste.org
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Follow Justin:
https://x.com/JustinRGoodman
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The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-8:11 Intro: Justin Goodman of White Coat Waste Project (WCW Project), animals experiments under any political administration, & can DOGE (Department Of Government Efficiency) can save animals during the incoming Trump administration
Chapter 2) 8:12-22:08 On Fauci, on ending chimpanzee experiments, beagles experiments, and kitten experiments, how experiments on animals get funded by the government, & on Dr. Livingstone animal experiments
Chapter 3) 22:09-35:14 On why scientists and vivisectors overlook ethical concerns of experimenting on animals, how to stop funding unnecessary government research on animals, & John Gluck on Harry Harlow
Chapter 4) 35:15-40:42 How government funding experiments on animals started and continues
Chapter 5) 40:43-50:27 WCW Project investigating animal experiments and “respiratory illness” (Covid-19) in 2019 and Fauci, & zoonotic diseases from animal testing lab leaks and factory farm animals but not from wet markets
Chapter 6) 50:28-1:01:04 Public criticism toward Justin and WCW Project for saying animal testing lab leaks started Covid-19, & how Fauci lied that Covid-19 was not from animal testing lab leaks because he did not want government funding animal experiments to end
Chapter 7) 1:01:05-1:11:09 The trust and mistrust in government institutions especially during the pandemic, exposing Fauci and government officials lying about funding animal testing labs that caused Covid-19, & “the banality of evil” in animal research
Chapter 8) 1:11:10-1:28:30 WCW Project investigations (in 2021) exposing Fauci/NIH beagle testing, bipartisan and public criticism of Fauci/NIH, The Washington Post coverage lying WCW Project evidence of Fauci/NIH funding beagle testing, WCW Project FOIA requests for Fauci/NIH funding beagle testing, & The Washington Post published a weak retraction article that WCW Project evidence of Fauci/NIH lying but they did not correct prior false coverage
Chapter 9) 1:28:31-1:37:32 Justin’s communication with The Washington Post journalists, on mainstream media coverage, fear among activists in the animal rights movement, & on the Ridglan Farms Beagle case
Chapter 10) 1:37:33-1:43:34 Recent change in cultural and political perception of animal testing & on the closing of Envigo dog breed
Chapter 11) 1:43:35-1:54:17 What is the future for farmed animals compared to lab animals in the animal right movement, single-issue campaigns, & building relationships
Chapter 12) 1:54:18-1:57:47 Justin’s most important lessons for animal rights activists, & follow White Coat Waste Project and Justin on social media (links above)
Chapter 13) 1:57:48-1:58:03 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Articles/Books mentioned:
Newsweek “DOGE Can Save Dogs—and Tax Dollars | Opinion” by Rep. Greg Steube & Justin Goodman (United States Congressman from Florida; senior vice president at the government watchdog White Coat Waste Project)
newsweek.com/doge-can-save-dogs-tax-dollars-opinion-1992671
"Documents Link Potential Covid Patient Zero to U.S.-Funded Research in Wuhan" by Ryan Grim
theintercept.com/2023/06/17/covid-origin-wuhan-patient-zero
The Trial by Franz Kafka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial
—
Follow White Coat Waste Project:
blog.whitecoatwaste.org
youtube.com/@WhiteCoatWaste
instagram.com/whitecoatwaste
linkedin.com/company/white-coat-waste-project
https://x.com/WhiteCoatWaste
facebook.com/whitecoatwaste
tiktok.com/@whitecoatwaste
threads.net/@whitecoatwaste
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Other links:
DOGE (Department Of Government Efficiency)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Efficiency
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