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Creation Conversation: Fitness Maximization with Sal Cordova
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It IS news when a young-earth debate bro says out loud that we should assume he doesn't know any of the basics.
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Episode #6 of Wrong Answers Only, in which we will look at Chapter 8 of The New Answers Book 1. We're going to skip a whole bunch of theology and translation stuff in this chapter that I neither care about nor am competent to comment on, but there is a bit on the age of the Earth that's worth pointing out.
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Original video: youtu.be/hDOA8XT0xss?si=ObK-XchtZZ1ps8qB
This is a conversation I had with @Mr.AndersonCrosses reviewing my junk DNA debate with Dr. Casey Luskin, originally aired live on his channel (youtube.com/live/p2jasufiFRs?si=4dYUQukGZ1z0G8ql), and he has graciously allowed me to rebroadcast.
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Dr. Bundy's debate with Dr. Behe, which took place on Michael Beverly's channel (@michaelsbeverly ): youtube.com/live/XQx7_SzGueM?si=Kyx-SDeHS-6w9cZ-
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Okay, so, this is a fun one. Creation Ministries International recently put out a video warning their viewers how to recognize and resist conspiracy theories: youtube.com/watch?v=3S54xWuTPtU
Hey, CMI, the call is coming from inside the the house. Creationism IS a conspiracy theory.
This is a lot like that time they promoted vaccination and then a bunch of their audience got REALLY mad. It turns out, if you teach your audience that scientists are bad and liars, that science is unreliable, and to believe junk science, they're going to be susceptible to all kinds of misinformation! Who would have thought.
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By the way, this bit is a *little* bit spicy. It was fun.
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Dr. Casey Luskin Misunderstood My Whole Deal: youtu.be/a7m_YtuNVWA
Debate with Dr. Luskin: youtu.be/HB6Ilu5zo4U
Creation Myth: Biologists Thought All Non-Coding DNA was Junk: youtu.be/W_ep-zuK7MU
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In part three of the three-part series adapted from my real classes, we're going to change the way with think about multicellularity, relatedness, cooperation, and competition. In doing so, we're going to see how the evolutionary dynamics we covered in parts one and two (virulence and altruism) explain why cancer works the way it does.
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I'm going to respond to a few important parts, especially about seven minutes at the end where he specifically talks about our recent debate on Junk DNA (from May of 2024).
In that section, he severely mischaracterizes my position (I think accidentally, not intentionally), so I'll explain what he gets wrong and what my actual argument is.
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Altruistic behavior is a tricky one for evolution, right? How do you explain selection for a thing that reduces the fitness of the individuals who do it? Turns out, we have a pretty darn good answer, and it's really, really cool. This is part two in my three-part series of topics adapted from my real classes. This may not seem related to part one (virulence), but I promise you it is, and we'll see how in part three.
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Virulence refers to the property of a pathogenic organism causing disease symptoms. In other words, if something is virulent, it makes you sick. In this first part of a three-part series lightly modified from portions of my real classes, we're going to look and the evolutionary dynamics around virulence, the hypotheses proposed to explain it, and what are probably the correct explanations.
This is going to be a bit different from my usual fare. We're going to treat this more or less like I'm teaching a class. You know what we won't talk about? Creationism. This is all about one of my favorite dynamics in evolution, how it works, and how we know.
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It's a great argument *against* intelligent design creationism.
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And since then, Discovery Institute has been trying to gaslight everyone into thinking they *didn't* change their argument after the debate, when they totally did.
They've had quite a bit to say post-debate, and while I've released a few shorter post-debate videos, this is my big wrap-up. Enjoy.
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LSS video: youtu.be/7gyp1QnTJvY?si=sNLciKFFPoR087eg
My first response: youtube.com/live/YaPiOsuOtQA
Dr. Luskin response to me: evolutionnews.org/2024/03/creation-myths-misquotes-and-misrepresents-junk-dna-video
My response to Dr. Luskin: youtu.be/674aLZu4jKA
Debate with Dr. Luskin: youtu.be/HB6Ilu5zo4U
My big debate takeaway: youtu.be/ufuXVq_76sQ
DI on LINEs: evolutionnews.org/2024/05/from-the-junk-dna-files-can-degraded-line-elements-still-be-functional
Dr. McLatchie’s debate reflections: evolutionnews.org/2024/05/reflections-on-casey-luskins-debate-with-dr-dan
I made DI change their position: youtube.com/live/o6FomUarpSY
Did I make DI change their position?: evolutionnews.org/2024/05/did-dr-dan-make-us-change-our-position-on-junk-dna
This is that debate in full. The takeaway is this: Yes, the human genome is mostly (80-90%) junk DNA, that is, DNA that does not have a function.
By the end of this debate, Dr. Luskin had revised his argument somewhat, and if creationists use *that* version of the argument going forward, they'll be a lot less wrong about junk DNA.
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Hey creationists: These arguments go to together like toothpaste and orange juice. Pick one.
(For the record, they're both wrong.)
Links:
Genetic entropy stuff:
youtu.be/8CZtjio4FAc
youtube.com/live/i86-In0EwWY
youtube.com/live/TdZJURQW-4s
Dr. Zach Hancock’s review of “Genetic Entropy”: youtu.be/qmWcqAhcbMQ
Junk DNA stuff:
youtu.be/9Sz559xJpPg
youtu.be/7W8RrDTg0Aw
youtube.com/live/YaPiOsuOtQA
youtu.be/674aLZu4jKA
youtu.be/HB6Ilu5zo4U
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There's a REALLY important bit in there. Important because Dr. McLatchie agrees with something Dr. Luskin said during the debate, and it's quite different from what DI has said in the past. Folks, they're changing their argument around junk DNA in the human genome.
Links
Debate with Dr. Luskin: youtu.be/HB6Ilu5zo4U
Dr. Mclathie’s debate reflections: evolutionnews.org/2024/05/reflections-on-casey-luskins-debate-with-dr-dan
Article about LSS video: evolutionnews.org/2024/03/new-long-story-video-tackles-a-battle-of-predictions-junk-dna
Next Phase of ENCODE: evolutionnews.org/2020/08/next-phase-of-encode-finds-more-functional-information-in-genome-junk
ENCODE 2012: nature.com/articles/nature11247
ENCODE and functional percentage: evolutionnews.org/2015/07/encode_evolutio
Some other DI junk DNA articles:
evolutionnews.org/2024/05/heres-a-far-from-exhaustive-yet-still-exhausting-list-of-papers-discovering-function-for-junk-dna
evolutionnews.org/2024/01/casey-luskin-on-junk-dnas-kuhnian-paradigm-shift
evolutionnews.org/2021/10/scientific-paper-on-repetitive-elements-slams-junk-dna
evolutionnews.org/2021/10/oxford-journal-the-days-of-junk-dna-are-over
(Tell me if you think they mean what Dr. McLatchie says they do!)
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I, obviously, disagree, and I'm very happy to be having Sal on to talk about it.
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Links!
Hillis et al. 1992, viral phylogenetics: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1736360
Fossils and phylogenetics: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1688444
Cytochrome C: pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.50.4.672
NANOG pseudogenes: bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-6-12
Talk Origins: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc
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But at the end of our conversation, he said...not that. Take a look.
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Gish debate repository: youtube.com/@rogerwkeith
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The paper: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00285-024-02077-w
@talkpopgen breaking down the math: youtu.be/8zIWf-dd398?si=toQCbRe158HhqkJl
(Thumbnail sketch from a viewer. Thanks Paul!)
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I responded: youtube.com/live/YaPiOsuOtQA
DI’s Dr. Casey Luskin responded to me: evolutionnews.org/2024/03/creation-myths-misquotes-and-misrepresents-junk-dna-video
And that’s what we’re addressing here.
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Other links:
Creation Myth: "Intelligent Design" *isn’t* just creationism: youtu.be/3Kw1BKqpz5s
Creation Myth: “Biologists thought all non-coding DNA was junk”: youtu.be/W_ep-zuK7MU
Creation Myth: ENCODE disproved junk DNA: youtu.be/9Sz559xJpPg
A conversation about junk DNA with Dr. Fazale Rana: youtube.com/live/NFO3IoCXgbs
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Well, that's just not true. There are a LOT of examples of papers in the literature that are direct refutations of the handful of papers from creationists.
AND HERE'S ONE MORE, BY @talkpopgen AND ME: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00285-024-02077-w
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Original video: youtu.be/7gyp1QnTJvY?si=SdUdjgSPQSbPwGCw
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References:
2012 ENCODE paper: nature.com/articles/nature11247
2014 ENCODE paper: pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1318948111
ENCODE: youtu.be/9Sz559xJpPg
ENCODE and Dr. Dan Graur: youtu.be/7W8RrDTg0Aw
"The other 98% is junk": youtu.be/W_ep-zuK7MU
We notice.
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Links:
Genetic entropy: youtu.be/8CZtjio4FAc
Conversation with Sal: youtu.be/ThdFkq19qBU
Price and Carter on Fitness: creation.com/fitness
Stephen Meyer video: youtube.com/watch?v=aXKAMR94-rc
Information does not require intelligence: youtu.be/Q9yG8qAskrQ
Genetic entropy with Paul Price: youtube.com/live/TdZJURQW-4s
Macroevolution articles:
creation.com/hox-hype
creation.com/professor-of-genetics-says-no-to-evolution
creation.com/developmental-gene-regulatory-networks
Examples of “macroevolution”: youtu.be/j6i5NimYsH8
Macroevolution debate with Kent: youtu.be/XwJpFf3aUVE
You can guess how this will go, but we're going to do it anyway, because such things are fun. Join us as we talk debate tactics, population genetics fanfiction, and whether SFT is ignorant or dishonest.
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The geniuses at Standing for Truth decided to "respond" to that video in a FOUR HOUR stream, of which very little actually had anything to do with pedigree mutation rates and even less was spent addressing the problems I raised. It was mostly Donny and Matt reading from their usual scripts. But I'm going to pluck out the relevant bits and we'll see why they missed the mark.
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Testing Jeanson's predictions: youtube.com/live/or76K0jCYWw
Nope. Sooooooo many reasons why that’s wrong, and we’ll briefly touch on them here while focusing on one very big and very simple reason creationists are wrong about this: They’re cherrypicking their data.
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Jeanson “papers”:
answersresearchjournal.org/mitochondrial-genome-mutation-rate
answersresearchjournal.org/evidence-y-chromosome-molecular-clock
Jeanson uses mutation rate as substitution rate: youtu.be/sUPHNeL9wFk
Long version: youtube.com/live/awuFXtMsX7c?si=Y0TCNhmhaXvst17f
Soares 2009: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2694979
Ding includes somatic mutations: youtube.com/live/TiTXgPCtExM?si=KQhDsThIa-YFNb_F
mtDNA genome: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6697116
Jeanson’s methods:
web.archive.org/web/20160718102909/http://www.evoanth.net/2016/05/23/invent-mutation-rate
monofilia.org/blog/2022/4/20/traced-human-dnas-big-surprise-and-its-surprisingly-amateurish-author
youtube.com/live/GLhuS4JqD9Q?si=MFjours6m0Fb27Gk
Parsons: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9090380
Ding: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172475
Karmin: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25770088
Maretty: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28746312
Multigeneration mtDNA pedigrees:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/%28SICI%291096-8644%28199710%29104:2%3C157::AID-AJPA2%3E3.0.CO;2-W
nature.com/articles/ncomms6631
nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10530-3
Multigeneration y chromosome pedigrees:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19716302
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25807285
My earlier video on lactase persistence: youtu.be/Ii8sLnCWUTo
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Relevant papers:
https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/icc_proceedings/vol8/iss1/7/
dl0.creation.com/articles/p130/c13059/j33_1_110-118.pdf
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The thing I want to point out here is NOT how uninformed Rawmatt is (though please do note how uninformed Rawmatt is). The thing I want to point out is the disservice professional YECs do when they present these easy-to-refute arguments to their non-scientific audience, who then repeats them. And then when that audience encounters people who know better, this is what happens. Enjoy, but also remember to blame here. This is Jeanson's fault, not Rawmatt's.
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This is the piece we'll be reviewing: https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/icc_proceedings/vol9/iss1/15/
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Here are three examples of creationists doing just that.
The lesson here is that whenever you encounter a creationist making a science-sounding argument, make them explain it. Make them define the terms they're using. Because a lot of the time, they can't.
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But here, we're dealing with a thing creationists say that's related, and completely wrong. And they can stop saying it and it doesn't affect their arguments at all! They can just stop lying. But they don't.
In this video we look at the claim that biologists originally thought that all non-protein-coding DNA was "junk DNA".
This is not the case, for a very simple reason, as you'll see.
@talkpopgen 's: show with Dr. Moran:
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Basically, I'm an evolutionary biologist who tells you how and why creationist arguments are wrong, with a focus on evolution and genetics. In my main ongoing series, I tackle the major creationist talking points one by one, and I also do book reviews of creationist books, literature reviews of creationist papers (and "papers"), respond directly to critics, point out the contradictory arguments creationists make, host panel discussions with other science and evolution and anti-creationist youtubers, and best of all: long, in-depth interviews with professional, credentialed creationists.
If you're at all curious about the arguments creationists make and why they're wrong, you can find out here.
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YECs have been trying to figure out how to determine how many kinds and what they were for decades. Well, I've got the answer right here, and they're not going to like it. We can use genetics to concretely ID the "kinds". The problem is..."kinds" are fake. All cellular life is the same kind. All cellular life shares common ancestry. This video explains how to determine "kinds", and how actually doing it disproves the whole concept.
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References:
Gutsick Gibbon "Kinds" video: youtu.be/y5Ysl4UewMw
AIG's "Do Animals Evolve": youtu.be/coxbHvOhgPA
Bird phylogeny: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluraves
Plasticity: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20557976
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/
Johnson 1999: pnas.org/content/96/18/10254
Benit 1999: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10074184
Zhang 2019: nature.com/articles/s41559-019-0822-5
With:
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youtube.com/@talkpopgen
youtube.com/@ReasontoDoubt
youtube.com/@criticalbasedtheory
youtube.com/@JacksonWheat
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