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Exclusive Overtime discussion: nonzero.org/p/two-visions-of-ai-apocalypse-robert

0:00 How Eliezer Yudkowsky's new book envisions AI takeover
8:24 Will we ever really know how AI works?
15:10 The “paperclip maximizer" problem revisited
26:13 Will advanced AIs be insatiable?
31:39 David’s alternative takeover scenario: gradual disempowerment
43:31 Can—and should—we keep humans in the loop?
51:46 Heading to Overtime

Discussed in Overtime:
AI accelerationists: true believers or trolls?
How David became an AI safety early adopter.
AI safety’s international cooperation gap.
“Mutually Assured AI Malfunction” and WWIII.
David: Superintelligence is (pretty) near.
What’s the deal with AI “situational awareness?”
What’s the deal with Leopold Aschenbrenner?

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and David Krueger (The University of Montréal). Recorded September 24, 2025.

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