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trinities.org/blog/podcast-282-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-1 In this first part of my dialogue with pastor Sean Cole, we introduce ourselves, offer brief opening statements, and then we discuss which Trinity theory he thinks is taught in scripture, and how we understand the famous first chapter of the gospel according to John. In his opening statement Dr. Cole essentially expresses some core convictions of catholic traditions about the Father, Son, and Spirit, and appeals to the famous “Great Commission” passage at the end of Matthew. I base my opening case on four indisputable facts about the New Testament – that these facts best fit my thesis that the New Testament authors are unitarians, that is, Christians who think that the one God is Father alone, not the Trinity. These facts are:
No word or phrase in the New Testament was then understood to refer to a truine/tripersonal God.
In the New Testament “God” almost always means the Father – never the Trinity and rarely if ever the Son or Spirit.
The New Testament pattern of worship: the Father (aka God) is the main and ultimate object of worship. The exalted Son is also worshiped, which glorifies God. (Philippians 2:11) Neither the Trinity nor God’s spirit are ever taught to be or portrayed as an object of worship.
The New Testament contains many statements which imply that the Son has limits which are incompatible with his being fully divine. E.g. that he was begotten in his mother, died, didn’t know the day or hour of his future return, he has a god over him, he gets his mission, message, and power from God.
If you accept some triune-God theory, how do you explain these four facts?
Next week: the rest of my dialogue with Dr. Cole.
Links for this episode: trinities.org/blog/podcast-282-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-1
Marlon Wilson’s The Gospel Truth show
The Gospel Truth episode 64: Does the Bible teach that God is a Trinity?
Dr. Sean Cole homepage, his podcast “Understanding Christianity”
What is the Trinity?
three-self Trinity theories
Trinity to One – An Evangelical’s Journey – Dale Tuggy and J. Dan Gill
podcast 2 – the “Athanasian Creed”
podcast 260 – How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
podcast 276 – How is the Trinity Central to the Gospel? Or: How The Gospel Coalition Prioritizes Speculation over Scripture
the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
podcast 224 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 – God and “God” in the Bible
podcast 227 – Who Should Christians Worship?
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
“Divine Deception and Monotheism,” Journal of Analytic Theology 2, 186-209, 2014.
podcast 259 – Who is the one Creator? – Part 2
Matthew 28:16-20; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 5:43-44; John 8:54; Acts 7:55-56; 1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 4:5-6; John 1; Proverbs 8:22-36; Sirach 24:1-23; Psalm 33:6; Wisdom 18:14-16; Baruch 3:37-4:1; John 8:40; John 17:3; John 20:28; John 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:28.
This week’s thinking music “Mt. Fuji” by Timecrawler 82.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music "Mt. Fuji" by Timecrawler 82. freemusicarchive.org/music/Timecrawler_82/Osaka_Lights/Mt_Fuji_1433
trinities.org/blog/podcast-282-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-1 In this first part of my dialogue with pastor Sean Cole, we introduce ourselves, offer brief opening statements, and then we discuss which Trinity theory he thinks is taught in scripture, and how we understand the famous first chapter of the gospel according to John. In his opening statement Dr. Cole essentially expresses some core convictions of catholic traditions about the Father, Son, and Spirit, and appeals to the famous “Great Commission” passage at the end of Matthew. I base my opening case on four indisputable facts about the New Testament – that these facts best fit my thesis that the New Testament authors are unitarians, that is, Christians who think that the one God is Father alone, not the Trinity. These facts are:
No word or phrase in the New Testament was then understood to refer to a truine/tripersonal God.
In the New Testament “God” almost always means the Father – never the Trinity and rarely if ever the Son or Spirit.
The New Testament pattern of worship: the Father (aka God) is the main and ultimate object of worship. The exalted Son is also worshiped, which glorifies God. (Philippians 2:11) Neither the Trinity nor God’s spirit are ever taught to be or portrayed as an object of worship.
The New Testament contains many statements which imply that the Son has limits which are incompatible with his being fully divine. E.g. that he was begotten in his mother, died, didn’t know the day or hour of his future return, he has a god over him, he gets his mission, message, and power from God.
If you accept some triune-God theory, how do you explain these four facts?
Next week: the rest of my dialogue with Dr. Cole.
Links for this episode: trinities.org/blog/podcast-282-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-1
Marlon Wilson’s The Gospel Truth show
The Gospel Truth episode 64: Does the Bible teach that God is a Trinity?
Dr. Sean Cole homepage, his podcast “Understanding Christianity”
What is the Trinity?
three-self Trinity theories
Trinity to One – An Evangelical’s Journey – Dale Tuggy and J. Dan Gill
podcast 2 – the “Athanasian Creed”
podcast 260 – How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
podcast 276 – How is the Trinity Central to the Gospel? Or: How The Gospel Coalition Prioritizes Speculation over Scripture
the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
podcast 224 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 – God and “God” in the Bible
podcast 227 – Who Should Christians Worship?
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
“Divine Deception and Monotheism,” Journal of Analytic Theology 2, 186-209, 2014.
podcast 259 – Who is the one Creator? – Part 2
Matthew 28:16-20; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 5:43-44; John 8:54; Acts 7:55-56; 1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 4:5-6; John 1; Proverbs 8:22-36; Sirach 24:1-23; Psalm 33:6; Wisdom 18:14-16; Baruch 3:37-4:1; John 8:40; John 17:3; John 20:28; John 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:28.
This week’s thinking music “Mt. Fuji” by Timecrawler 82.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music "Mt. Fuji" by Timecrawler 82. freemusicarchive.org/music/Timecrawler_82/Osaka_Lights/Mt_Fuji_1433
