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0:00 How this conversation came to be
1:34 What surprised Glenn most about the Kirk killing
7:38 Who (or what) is driving our polarization?
16:40 Cognitive empathy for MAGA
24:27 Reacting to Charlie Kirk on affirmative action
43:34 Are we re-running the 1960s?
50:50 Coming up in part 2: Israel-Gaza

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Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Glenn Loury (glennloury.substack.com/, Brown University, Hoover Institution, Late Admissions, Self-Censorship). Recorded September 15, 2025.

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